Talk:Hezekiah C. Seymour

Born in
I restored the date and place of birth, there is no valid reason for the removal. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 23:29, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * There is no source mentioned in the article which states his birth place. Can't you read, Mr. Norton? Kraxler (talk) 11:55, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * By that rule, Sir, the entire article, minus the last sentence, will have to be removed. The only fact with a reference is his death, and I added that.
 * Are you insane, or are you not? I'm still waiting for an answer, but you are avoiding the subject, Mr. Norton. The article has a handful of sources, and bluelinks to check the facts, all of them, except things you added without stating any source. So where did you get his birthplace and parents' names? Kraxler (talk) 00:46, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Every fact in the article had been unsourced until I have added citation templates. We have fact tags if you are challenging a fact, you can move a fact to the talk page if you find contradictory information. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 01:00, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Sources can be mentioned at the bottom, Mr. Norton. Citations are not necessary, if readers can click on the link and get all the info they want. See Mos. You are way behind in your reading. No source mentioned in the article states his birthplace. Kraxler (talk) 01:05, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


 * If you are challenging one of my facts add a "fact" tag. If you are going to cite the MoS remember to quote it. Do not tell people to read it ... quote it. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 02:49, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Political Graveyard
Please do not remove PG references. It is used as a reliable source in over 5,000 articles. If you think it is unreliable, please develop consensus on the Political Graveyard talk page. If the consensus is that it is unreliable I will remove the reference myself from this article. The ad hoc removal from articles that you are editing is not helpful. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 03:19, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * There we are, I just quoted the guideline that says that PG is unreliable, but you don't listen. It might be used as a source, in the absence of something better, and it depends on the single entry, if it is credible, or if it is proven to be false, or if it is unnecessary to be mentioned. In the latter two cases, I will delete, without remorse. Kraxler (talk) 15:57, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


 * You said it was self-published, but it is a compilation of published information from other sources. As you and I both pointed out the New York Times has errors. You have made several corrections to the New York Times and other sources. When we find an error we add "sic" and add a note. We do not remove the New York Times from articles because it has mistakes. Every reference work has errors and typos. If you find an error in the entry in PG add "sic". If you want PG blacklisted work to gain consensus and you can have the thousands of uses of it removed. I counted over 5,000 before I stopped. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 16:06, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


 * It is self-published, with very many mistakes. I repeat: "If the info is proven to be erroneous, or if the PG entry is unnecessary to be mentioned, I will delete it." The New York Times has reporters, copy editors, and editors, and are subject to libel laws. They check what they publish. And if made aware of mistakes, they publish a correction. What does PG do? They do not even correct the entry if they can read the correct version on Wikipedia. You know why? People like you give Wikipedia zero credibility. Kraxler (talk) 16:23, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * You cannot libel the dead, it is legally impossible under US law, but there is no need to be rude to me. You already have pointed out in other articles where the NY Times was in error and did not publish a correction. See "Albany, New York. Dwight B. Ladu, the last elected state engineer and retired chairman of the Albany Port District Commission, died yesterday at his home here." You wrote correctly: "Note that the last elected State Engineer was his successor Roy G. Finch." Does that mean I can delete this New York Times reference? Does it mean I can delete every NY Times reference? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 20:47, 18 October 2012 (UTC)