Talk:Hi-Tek incident

"Attacked with an egg"?
"Trường was attacked with an egg on March 1." This phrase sounds absurd. Was the egg thrown at him? 2A00:23C5:FE18:2700:BCF2:F7D2:2FEE:C8CF (talk) 18:24, 8 November 2021 (UTC)


 * The original phrase "Ông bị những người biểu tình ném trứng vào mặt." literally means "The protesters threw egg(s) in his face." I'm not sure if it was an egg or more than one. There is no quantifier. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 07:28, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * From the source (Willon & Sheppard): "Tran is pelted in the face with an egg as he tries to return to his store, then is dragged away by police for his own protection." DHN (talk) 07:50, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Use of naming order and how to refer to people
Thanks for starting this article! It's a very interesting subject!

Anyway I recall at Talk:Thuy Trang (the Power Rangers actress) I argued that while she was of Vietnamese ancestry, not only did formal publications refer to her by her family name, Trang, she built her career in the US and essentially lived there for the rest of her life. The decision there was to refer to her as Trang, in the American custom.

I think similarly, as this article concerns people living in the United States and not in Vietnam, and that the formal mainstream English language media more or less refers to people by their family names, I think the key figure should be referred to as "Truong Van Tran" and as "Tran". If he was naturalized as a U.S. citizen, IMO the case would be stronger to refer to him as "Tran". WhisperToMe (talk) 09:22, 31 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, AFAIK, Trang is Thuỳ Trang's first name, not family name. She should (also) be referred to as Thuỳ Trang or Trang according to Vietnamese custom. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 13:12, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Articles in U.S. press seem to treat Trang as her family name. For example in this biographical newspaper article she is referred to as "Trang", and in this article an actor refers to her in a personal manner as "Thuy", suggesting it's her given name ("“I remember Thuy was always getting hurt on set,” says Frank, 45" and "Thuy’s voicemail a few times after") while the same article states "Trang joined the Power Rangers cast after they shot the pilot". If Trang was her given name, Jason David Frank and David Yost, respectively, would have called her "Trang" and the articles would have clarified this. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:10, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * To me, a native Vietnamese, Thuỳ seems to be her middle name rather than family name. Thuỳ Trang is a relatively popular name for girls, but I have never heard of any one whose family name is Thuỳ. It can be that she doesn't have a (Vietnamese) family name, or she just didn't reveal it. Our article Thuy Trang (and the sources cited) says nothing else about her name. The author was probably unfamiliar with Vietnamese names. Can't blame them, see also this property proposal on Wikidata. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 16:25, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It could be possible that "Thuy Trang" is a stage name and she had some other Vietnamese family name, but to my knowledge none was revealed in the press. I don't know if she has any further name revealed on any memorial sites. AFAIK the best we can do is use American conventions with that article.
 * In regards to this article, I'm in favor of using U.S. naming conventions (given name then family name, and referring to people by family name) in the English Wikipedia as the persons involved live in the United States, and possibly are U.S. citizens.
 * WhisperToMe (talk) 18:03, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It's true that most English-language sources refer to this person using the Anglicized version. However, I think there are several nuances that warrant a closer look in this case.  First, the person's notoriety/fame is largely in a Vietnamese-language context instead of an English-language context.  Second, after the incident, he moved back to Vietnam for a period of time, so it's not clear that he prefers the English version of his name.  P.S. This reminds me of the initial discussions on Seung-Hui Cho, when the media wanted to highlight his foreignness by using the Korean order when the person himself used the Western order. DHN (talk) 18:23, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Interesting discussion. As far as I am aware, Wikipedia is also a bit unique in that it preserves diacritics that are often stripped in English. (Honestly, it's kinda absurd how much diacritics are ripped out - D and Đ are completely different letters, come on! But, I digress.) Nevertheless, it could be that he used the "Westernized" version of his name in English. But I also suspect that the media may simply have not been so sensitive to the issue or read his name from a form or ID card and applied Western order to it without understanding. MSG17 (talk) 02:09, 19 February 2022 (UTC)