Talk:Hibbing, Minnesota

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Hibbing High School
Hibbing High School deserves at least more discussion here, at least one photo, and possibly an article of its own. I was just at a talk by Greil Marcus this evening, and he got onto the topic of Hibbing for a while (by way of talking about Bob Dylan). He remarked, among other things, that Hibbing High School is probably the most impressive public (in the sense of public-funded) building he's seen in the U.S. outside of Washington D.C., not only for the auditorium mentioned here, but for other aspects of the architecture and for some remarkable (and remarkably well-preserved) murals. Even allowing for some hyperbole, the building is on the National Register of Historic Places, ID #80004351. - Jmabel | Talk 06:24, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree; do we have any Hibbing contributers who could get us some pictures?--Appraiser 13:05, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Jason Loo??
Although there is apparently a Jason R. Loo here in Hibbing (see: http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/jason-loo.html?searchform=name&&PHPSESSID=26a32229ed7f1728643fd278fdb56a37) I don't thing he would agree with this: "Jason Loo, Maple Syrup Taste Tester, Aunt Jemima's nephew. Failed to get on Hell's Kitchen because he's a donkey." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.16.96.147 (talk) 16:08, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Jim Arabanos and Matt Baratto
An editor is really wanting to add Jim Arabanos and Matt Baratto to the list of notable people.

Jim Arabanos is redlinked. He founded AJ Indoor Advertising which "which provides poster ads in clubs, restaurants and elevators" and was bought by Trans Media Group, which also sells outdoor advertising on trucks and buses. I don't know if he's actually from Hibbing and I'm not sure it'd be easy to find out. He's dead.

Matt Baratto is redlinked. He makes and repairs guitars in LA. here's his website. According to the editor his guitars and amps are used by "Paul McCartney, Bob Dylan, Keith Richards, KISS, Johnny Depp, etc." but it doesn't say that on the website (which you'd think it would) nor anything about amps, so I dunno. I don't know if he's actually from Hibbing and I'm not sure it'd be easy to find out.

For very small towns unlinked people are OK, but Hibbing's not that small, and there're 24 bluelinked people, so I don't know as we need to start in putting in unlinked people. If it was just a matter of nobody having gotten around to writing their article, that'd be one thing, but IMO it's very very unlikely that either of these folks would qualify for an article under WP:GNG.

So on this basis I removed the two names even though that's 2RR which I don't like to do. The editor is invited to make his case here if he wishes. Herostratus (talk) 19:54, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The editor replied on my talk page and I'm posting the gist of it here. He said
 * Matt Barratto was definitely born and raised in Hibbing, refer to article here or please do your own google search, thanks. Jim Arabonos was definitely born and raised in Hibbing, refer to article hereor do your own google search


 * These two gentlemen are definitely noteworthy, nobleman born and raised Hibbingites so PLEASE quit deleting them, thank you.
 * Arbanos is from Hibbing. I can't read the article on Baratto, it appears to require a subscription, but per WP:AGF I'll grant he's from Hibbing. The article is titled "McCartney jams on fiddle made by Matty" so I gather that McCartney has used Baratto's instruments. That's something. Paul McCartney is a big deal. Arbanos's obit says he was CEO of Trans Media Group itself, and says "As CEO of... Trans Media Group (TMG), Arabanos was a recognized leader in the field of restroom advertising and helped it become an acceptable way of placing ads for products, services and entertainment in front of consumers’ eyes. 'This was the precursor to social media, and he made the product look good,' said John Koenig, executive director of the Indoor Billboard Advertising Association". Trans Media Group does not have an article and I don't know much about them. They're not to be confused with TransMedia Group, an entirely different organization. But "precursor to social media" is a big deal, if it's true. I don't know that restroom advertising was a precursor to social media, but I'm not an expert on that.


 * I don't know if Arbanos would meet the WP:BIO requirement of "has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources" but he did get a lengthy obit in the main Minneapolis paper. You could write a short article on him on that basis. There may be other material on him. Baratto I don't know, but if those other people in addition to Paul McCartney use his instruments, he's near the top of his profession, and there may be something on him in music magazines or somewhere.


 * Even if neither person would rate an article, that's not a slam-dunk deal-killer. Hibbing's not that large. There's no rule that every notable-person entry for large towns has to have an article. It's not unreasonable to include them. The editor feels strongly that they belong, and I don't much care, so on that basis maybe they should be restored. Herostratus (talk) 01:41, 9 February 2014 (UTC)


 * The Barrato entry has been removed again. It is neither referenced or has a wikipedia article. Consensus is that anyone to be in a notable people section has to have one (From a WP:RS too) or the other. Otherwise the entry can be removed....William 17:13, 5 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Right. Even though I made the case above, partly to assist the other editor, I don't really agree with it, because one very good reason for only listing people who have Wikipedia articles (for most localities including Hibbing) is that it's a clear line which avoids arguments; if we start listing people without articles that means lots of case-by-case discussions about who should and shouldn't be on the list. "Has article == in, no article == out" is much easier and saves time and effort. This is a very significant virtue and worthwhile adhering to as a general rule. And so I'm getting the feeling that, judging by their actions, there are three editors (me, and User:Cmr08, and now User:WilliamJE) who'd rather not have these folks in the list and only the one editor wanting to include them, so let's not include them. Herostratus (talk) 17:22, 5 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Several state WikiProjects(Iowa, Massachusetts and Illinois at least. Wisconsin could be included too but I've never seen it stated. At least one Minnesota town or city article, St. Cloud, requires a NP to have an article) require an article before a person be added to the NP section. I favor this too because it avoids arguments.


 * BTW I am going to summon an administrator should these entries be made again....William 17:29, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

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