Talk:High-speed rail by country

Divide by continents
Uhh, did you guys forget about the United States? (Wikimachine 22:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC))

Common criteria
May I suggest that the table be based on common criteria, as it is now it is worthless with each country based on different criterias.

This PDF compiled by the International Union of Railways High Speed Department use a common criteria and it is up to date as of summer 2009.

http://www.uic.org/IMG/pdf/1-4-2_20090614_a_HIGH_SPEED_LINES_IN_THE_WORLD.pdf

Please update the Italian data, Italy's Freccia rossa (Red Arrow) is capable of doing 360Km/h but is currently traveling at 300km/h in large parts of the country as clearly indicated in the companies web page. http://www.ferroviedellostato.it/cms/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=05e2465b57965210VgnVCM1000003f16f90aRCRD

there are currently over 1000km of High speed railway. The trip from Milan to Rome takes 2 hours 59 minutes, to cover the 590km distance. From Milan to Florence in 1 hour and 45 minutes to cover the 300km distance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.33.133.66 (talk) 19:10, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

/* HSR by region: China */
The length of chineese HSR network has been significantly edited. I've translated the source (a chineese paper shown only in chineese), and it's seems tendentious to me.I have found no updated serious article showing those 7000 km in service. Even the "more than 10000 km" in constraction shown in the table is very imprecise and is not sourced. I propose to revert chineese network lenght to the previous version shown in the UIC article which seems more realistic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antschaser (talk • contribs) 07:47, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I've done a little reseach and the lenght of 7000 Km includes 2876 Km of upgraded lines (200-250km/h). This table is meant to show only new lines over 250 Km/h. I think we should go back to UIC figures--Antschaser (talk) 09:10, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


 * The UIC figure is not reliable either. 300+ km HSR in the United States? Please tell me where they are, UIC. Python eggs (talk) 16:59, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

HSR lines in China currently in operation: The UIC figure seems to forget Qinhuangdao–Shenyang line, and there are two new lines opened after May 2010. The total figure should not be less than 4250 km. Python eggs (talk) 17:15, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Qinhuangdao–Shenyang: 404 km
 * Hefei–Nanjing: 166 km
 * Jinan–Qingdao: 362 km
 * Beijing–Tianjin: 120 km
 * Shijiazhuang–Taiyuan: 190 km
 * Hefei–Wuhan: 356 km
 * Ningbo–Taizhou–Wenzhou: 268 km
 * Wenzhou–Fuzhou: 298 km
 * Wuhan–Guangzhou: 968 km
 * Zhengzhou–Xi'an: 457 km
 * Fuzhou–Xiamen: 275 km
 * Shanghai–Nanjing: 301 km
 * Nanchang–Jiujiang: 92 km

I propose to continue discussion on networks length here Talk:High-speed_rail (where it began) to avoid contradictions.--Antschaser (talk) 19:12, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Major EDIT
I just changed HS Rail to HS dedicated lines to avoid any further discussion on the subject of double standards into what is or isn't a true HSLSotavento (talk) 18:53, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Network in Poland
There are no high-speed lines in Poland in operation. There is only a planned line between Warsaw and Wrocław/Poznań. I know it because I'm from Poland. Sarabonnat (talk) 16:48, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

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Bangalore IP added https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=High-speed_rail_by_country&diff=prev&oldid=601032713 1485 mm for India. Tamawashi (talk) 01:31, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Edit warring
Railman2015 (talk) 20:13, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * 19:53, 3 April 2015‎ Massyparcer (talk | contribs)‎ . . (7,927 bytes) (-400)‎ . . (Iran has no source) (undo | thank)
 * regarding what the user actually changed this was deceiptfull
 * 20:03, 3 April 2015‎ Massyparcer (talk | contribs)‎ . . (7,927 bytes) (-400)‎ . . (as per consensus (see talk page), planned ones are not included) (undo | thank)
 * where is this? And maybe the consensus did change?
 * 20:05, 3 April 2015‎ Massyparcer (talk | contribs)‎ . . (60 bytes) (-7,867)‎ . . (regardless, this page was suppose to be merged as per consensus with [[List of high-speed rail lines]) (undo | thank)
 * Where is this consensus? I only see a proposal by one user and the day after he performs the merge. But the merge makes no sense, since the target is only about lines and not about, e.g. train set assembly, while "High-speed rail by country" can be an overview for all.


 * Please consult the talk page of List of high-speed rail lines. The original content of this page has been moved in different pages one year ago (such as Planned high-speed rail by country, High-speed rail, List of high-speed rail lines. The lone table that was finally present was moved in List of high-speed rail lines, where it's regularly updated. The consensus was tacit, and everybody worked in the new pages. Today, User:Massyparcer, User:YJAX, me and probably User:Owennson agree with this consensus. --FlyAkwa (talk) 23:48, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I guess it is illegal to only invite people that you think are of your opinion, isn't it? You are clearly edit warring. The page was unilaterally merged by you. You ignored consensus that existed not for 9 months, but for 6 years: To have a primary/main article "High-speed rail by country" for the category:High-speed rail by country. The user proposed a merge and after waiting only one day s/he performed the self-proposed merge. Now you collect your friends to push forward your agenda. Regarding the tacit consensus - there was one for several years, which you killed within a day. Railman2015 (talk) 01:33, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Out-of-process misredirect
Some users created a wrong redirect to List of high-speed rail lines.

Since its inception in January 2007 the page covered more than only the rail lines. . This is reflected in the title, which is not High-speed rail lines by country".

Hierarchy:
 * General
 * High-speed rail
 * High-speed rail by country - misredirected to List of high-speed rail lines (which additionally is a misnamed page, since the agreed upon term in Wikipedia is "railway line", not "rail line")
 * Planned high-speed rail by country
 * Template:High-speed rail
 * Category:High-speed rail
 * Category:High-speed rail by country
 * Lines
 * High-speed railway line
 * List of high-speed rail lines (a misnamed page, since the agreed upon term in Wikipedia is "railway line", not "rail line")
 * Template:High-speed railway lines
 * Category:High-speed railway lines
 * Category:High-speed railway lines by country
 * Trains
 * List of high-speed trains
 * Template:High-speed rail experimental
 * Category:High-speed trains
 * Category:Experimental and prototype high-speed trains

Timeline:
 * On 9 January 2007 User:Tompw creates High-speed rail by country.
 * On 22 February 2008 User:Plasma east creates the corresponding Category:High-speed rail by country.
 * On 24 July 2014 User:Owennson creates List of high-speed rail lines.
 * On 28 July 2014, 10:31 User:FlyAkwa proposes to merge High-speed rail by country into the List of high-speed rail lines
 * On 29 July 2014, 17:06 FlyAkwa performs the self-proposed merge - without any third-party feedback documented.

Railman2015 (talk) 04:26, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * - if you could please respond it would be much appreciated. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 18:31, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello. It appears that "Railman2015" woke up strangely some days ago, 9 months after the merge and reorganization of some articles. Owennson and me have created the "list of high speed rail lines", because it appeared that it would be useful, especially to keep up-to-date the two "High-Speed rail network" SVG pictures (visibles in the "High-speed rail" page).
 * After some reorganization, and the creations of Planned high-speed rail by country and List of high-speed rail lines, the content of the page High-speed rail by country was totally empty : a large part was moved to Planned high-speed rail by country, and the remaining lone table was included in top of List of high-speed rail lines.
 * THe page List of high-speed rail lines is both a "list of lines" AND a "list by countries".
 * Based on this situation, I proposed the merge & redirection from the empty page High-speed rail by country to the newly created, filled and updated List of high-speed rail lines.
 * Currently, it's an absolute non-sense to keep the quasi-empty High-speed rail by country that contains only a table (that is also in the page List of high-speed rail lines).
 * It's YJAX that wrote me on my talk page to warn me of the Railman2015 vandalism, and I saw that another editor Massyparcer tried to cancel the Railman2015 vandalism and reestablish the consensus.
 * It's irony that a newly editor tried to impose its view and claims to respect WIkipedia rules, whereas Owennson, me, YJAX etc are far older editor of Wikipedia.
 * --FlyAkwa (talk) 22:00, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 5 April 2015
Please edit this page so that it redirects directly to List of high-speed railway lines rather than List of high-speed rail lines, in order to avoid the double redirect. Thank you! —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:20, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Done PanydThe muffin is not subtle 21:26, 6 April 2015 (UTC)