Talk:High-speed rail in Turkey

Explanation of edit
I made this change for two reasons - firstly to link to KTX-II rather than the link to a temporary article - when article "KTX-II" exists it will not then be necessary to change all the redirects to  Korea Train Express.

I put the images next to the relevent sections because 1. That's the general way to do things. 2 On some browsers the long list of images without breaks causes display problems.Shortfatlad (talk) 13:16, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Deletion
rational - HSR-350x is a korean prototype and seems unlikely to enter series production anywhere, also can't find any evidence for KTX-II being produced at EUROTEM plant, or that the train will be used in turkey, or is on order for turkey.

If anyone has the info please supply details. Thanks.Shortfatlad (talk) 19:35, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Copvio
compare http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/world-infrastructure-market-august-2010.html

If the info is relavent it need to be rewritten.Sf5xeplus (talk) 20:54, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

2023 Plans for TCDD
Greetings, the Ankara-Konya high speed train is now in active service since August 21 2011. We may have to modify the map accordingly.Citation (in Turkish): http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/18535829.aspFah112778 (talk) 20:09, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Hey guys, I checked the TCDD (Turkish railways) and noticed they had an official .pdf file for High Speed Rail in Turkey. Here it is (5th page, red and green lines) http://www.tcdd.gov.tr/Upload/Files/BannerFiles/2023brosurmail.pdfFah112778 (talk) 18:23, 1 December 2011

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Outdated section
The "Design and construction" part of the "Ankara–İstanbul high-speed line" section refers in the future tense to a line which has been built. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.59.219.122 (talk) 11:00, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

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Engineering Section seems problematic
The engineering section seems problematic. It states "All high-speed railways being constructed in Turkey are double tracked, electrified, without level crossing, having ETCS signalization and meeting ATS, ERTMS, ATMS, SICAS and ATP standards.[3]"

The reference [3] is to a document that is not available on-line, so it can't be confirmed.

Its states "being constructed". Does this therefore mean only new high-speed lines from now on? And if this does includes high-speed lines currently operational, does it mean "dedicated high-speed lines"? The Başkentray which is part of both the Ankara-Istanbul and the Ankara-Konya lines appears to be a multi-use line (high-speed, conventional and freight) with level crossings (https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worldwide/transportation/press-release/turkish-state-railways-modernise-36-kilometre-section-through) and, after the Marşandiz Accident, has been shown to definitely not have an ETCS standard signalling system.

Also, "ETCS signalization and meeting ATS, ERTMS, ATMS, SICAS and ATP standards" doesn't mean much. The ETCS is the signalling and control component of the ERTMS. You could describe both as being Standards, to which the signalling system is built. The ETCS includes ATP and ATS which are not standards; the ERTMS is a type of ATMS which is not a standard; and SICAS appears to be a Siemens product.

157.167.65.180 (talk) 14:15, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Merge Yüksek Hızlı Tren
I propose to merge Yüksek Hızlı Tren into here as there is so much overlap. Chidgk1 (talk) 17:14, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Strongly support I proposed this a while back but didnt get the merger through. They should be merged, absolutely. --Central Data Bank (talk) 17:33, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Central Data Bank Is it possible to add here a link to your earlier proposal? Chidgk1 (talk) 17:31, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It was a while ago, I dont even remember where it is anymore. Central Data Bank (talk) 21:16, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * . "High-speed rail in Turkey" article focuses on infrastructure, while the "Yüksek Hızlı Tren" article focuses on operations. Despite their similarities, I think it would be more accurate to keep them as separate articles. -- bluetime93 💬 20:39, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Since YHT is the only high-speed rail service in Turkey, it would be fine to add more infrastructure information to its page. If Turkey had multiple high-speed operators (like the UK or France) I would say to keep them separate. But all the info on "High-speed rail in Turkey" can be displayed on the YHT page as well.
 * Central Data Bank (talk) 21:15, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Bluetime93 A while ago you said "not sure" - could you please consider whether you now support or oppose and let me know? Chidgk1 (talk) 13:29, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Although it is the only service in Turkey, I think it would be better to keep it separate from a technical point of view. -- bluetime93  💬 14:20, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I highly support the merge, since everything on this page can be included within the YHT page - even the technical aspects. Also falls into line with WP:Merging criteria of duplicate and overlap. Until a second high-speed rail operator begins in Turkey, the two pages are just overlaps. Cheers. Central Data Bank (talk) 10:13, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I would be happy to split it again in future if another high speed rail operator starts - but as far as I know that is not likely in the next few years. If anyone knows otherwise please let us know. Chidgk1 (talk) 14:18, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * So does that mean you oppose the merge or are there other points of view you have (for example prospective rail tourist point of view)? Chidgk1 (talk) 05:11, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * By the way I have attempted to get more people to comment by asking at the projects but no success so far Chidgk1 (talk) 05:13, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Misleading 2nd sentence?
"TCDD has branded its high-speed service as Yüksek Hızlı Tren (YHT) which currently operates on three lines" might make the readers think that YHT is operated by TCDD wheras it is operated by TCDD Taşımacılık.

Or they might get the impression that TCDD Taşımacılık is a subsidiary of TCDD which as far as I know it is not.

Any ideas for improving the sentence and also maybe adding clarifying hatnotes to this article and the Yüksek Hızlı Tren article? Chidgk1 (talk) 14:20, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Should we use excerpts? Move some text?
To reduce duplication between this article and Yüksek Hızlı Tren should there be excerpts? If so what?

Also should some text be moved between articles - for example the sections on "Operation and rolling stock" and "High-speed train sets and production facilities" should maybe be moved from here to there.

And maybe the sections "Lines under construction", "Lines under planning" and "Related infrastructure projects" should be moved from there to here? Chidgk1 (talk) 14:34, 7 September 2023 (UTC)