Talk:High School Musical 2/Archive 2

Archive
I've gone and archived that abomination of a talk page. This is a talk page for the article, not a forum for discussion. Please pay attention to WP:NOT. That means only discussion on improving the article belongs here. Not "OMG I LOOK LIEK VANESSA!" Please take the fan girl discussion else where, thanks. -Sukecchi 16:01, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Need it?
Do we really need the "disneychannel.com has put a poll." section? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.122.218.191 (talk) 03:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC).

I think it's pretty usesless, it doesn't deserve a whole section. Dadan121 23:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Well I think it is a very good idea. Disneychannel.com To put up that poll and If you dont Like what they Are Doing Than Take It into action.I myself think Children Have A right to vote for what they want to see in a movie they Think will come out to be a huge hit .kids will know that their vote made a diffrence and they will Feel a boost of confidence In their lives and will prepare them for voting for things such as the president of the united state user:(Ortega676836) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.253.33.189 (talk)

Merged it with Production. As a mention, it's notable. how many productions let people vote for what happens before filming, after all? :) -- Ipstenu ( talk | contribs ) 23:40, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it's very useful. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.247.60 (talk)

I think it was useful when it gave details on what sort of things were decided but as this was removed, it definately did not deserve a full section. Good idea on merging the sections ;) Slayer2004C 19:00, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

New contracts?
I think a credible source is needed to back up the claim that the three cast members signed new contracts; NY Post is highly unreliable and def. not a recommended/credible source. Storched 02:21, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

You are correct - this is not true at all. You might want to check out the site Tommy2.Net. Last year it featured more original audio interviews with the cast than any other place. Several stories regarding HSM have been broke on the site as well. http://tommy2.net/content/?p=1358 Binhexboy 19:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Will someone please fix this? If you would like contact information for two of the three people involved I can get you it to confirm the facts. The news is only cited by one source which is TMZ.com, not necessarily the most accurate for newsworth infomation. Also, one with little to no coverage on High School Musical. There's is a second reference to the New York Times but no page to verify. Binhexboy 21:01, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Since I got emailed about this ... Mention of 'this was reported but everyone came back to work' is perfectly fine for an encyclopedia. We're recording what happened. Heck we even say 'were reported'. This is true. They were reported. It turned out to be meaningless, but it's still of note. That's all. Now, if you want to bring up TMZ as non-reliable that's a different story. -- Ipstenu ( talk | contribs ) 22:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

What is up with that picture?
It looks like somone took the concert photo and edited in Zac Efron (who looks like a paper doll in that one). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Snoborder93 (talk • contribs) 02:15, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

I think that it was on the Disney Channel website before. Or so i've been told... (Slayer2004C 07:37, 5 March 2007 (UTC))

Yes, that picture is from one of the photos of him for the first High School Musical. I heard Zac was too busy filming his other movie when they took the picture. 69.219.160.227 14:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I found a better picture. I think Zac looks a lot better in it! | High School Musical 2 promotional picture Calebaldwinjun9 04:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

To head this off -- We can't use that picture, Calebaldwinjun9, since I doubt it falls under fair use. Sorry :( -- Ipstenu ( talk | contribs ) 22:24, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Who is Trever Bolton?
I saw in the Internet Movie Database that there is going to be a Trever Bolton. (I saw earlier someone said that site wasn't reliable?) Anyway, does anyone know who that is? He is supposedly played by Matthew Miles Carter who was also a basketball dancer in HSM 1. Is this true? 69.219.160.227 14:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

My Point exactly Who is he? And What roll will He Play In the Movie? Is He Family Of Troy bolton on the Movie? I guess We will have to wait on the movie To come out. -- 4.253.33.189 02:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * IMDb doesn't always fact check, which is why they're not 100% reliable. And we'll be best served by waiting till Disney releases cast info about who our myster 'Trevor' is. - Ipstenu ( talk | contribs ) 14:35, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

If there is a Trever Bolton, it has to be a relative of Troy, since that's his last name. But like the person above me said, it might be a mislead. Abcw12 05:02, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Cristina Vidal and Raven Symone

 * According to the Washington Post and Christina Vidal's website, She along with Raven Symone will have cameos as waiters in the movie. This was just announced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LAUGH90 (talk • contribs)

i did not Know That. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.253.33.189 (talk)

Can you give us a link before you add this again? I can't even find Vidal's website... -- Ipstenu ( talk | contribs ) 20:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If it's just a cameo appearance, why does it even need to be mentioned? -Sukecchi 15:15, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Zeke
In the article, Chris Warren Jr., the guy who plays Zeke, it is said that he will reprise his role in High School Musical 2, so should we add him, or should that article be altered? Teeple12 23:08, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's un-citeable information and shouldn't be in either article without a reliable resource. And yes, it's in IMDb, which doesn't always fact check, so ... probably, but it's spec right now. We don't need it. -- Ipstenu ( talk | contribs ) 23:21, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Sara Paxton?
Someone added info stating that Sara Paxton was supposed to be in this movie. Can this be sourced? WAVY 10 22:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * How about just deleted? She's not in IMDB or any news, there's nothing on a search for 'Tallulah Robinson'.  It's gone -- Ipstenu ( talk | contribs ) 22:49, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

HOLDING OUT?
This shouldn't even be in there. It was a loose rumor without facts. If you DECIDE to use it to chronicle history you ethically need to make some modifications. Actually the wiki information and dates are wrong as well. They're off by a full week - which helps prove misguided the rumor was. The story broke on a Friday (business day) and the contracts were resolved on a Saturday or Sunday? I don't think so.

FACT: On Feburary 9th TMZ reported "Reps for Hudgens, Bleu and Tisdale all declined comment"

FACT: TMZ.com never called the reps for Corbin Bleu and Tisdale.

FACT: On February 9th TMZ reported Ashley and Corbin weren't going to rehearsal and  "that while the cast is expected to fly to Utah on Sunday (Feb. 11th) to begin rehearsals, Tisdale, Bleu and Hudgens may well be staying put until their deals can be revised for the better." (Key word they used MAY)

FACT: On February 11th Ashley, Corbin and Vanessa were on a plane to Utah. (Documented by Tommy2.Net)

http://tommy2.net/content/?p=1429

Please research how often the cast of High School Musical has done work or even mentioned at TMZ and Tommy2.Net to decide who should be the authority on this story. Tommy2.Net is a credible site and has been mentioned at AshleyTisdale.com, ChuckyK.com (HSM choreographer) and in several 'print' publications including the following.

MN Daily

http://www.mndaily.com/articles/2006/04/06/67879

Boston Magazine

http://bostonmagazine.com/arts_entertainment/articles/the_tween_machine

24.118.25.164 03:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Miley Cyrus
I see she will have a cameo of some sort. WAVY 10 15:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Add Chinese Wikipedia's article link
歌舞青春2 68.32.20.36 18:00, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Infbox
Something is wrong with the Infobox. It almost seems like someone copied it from some Bollywood movie but never actually bothered to change the names. Could someone with more knowledge of the movie fix it? Drewcifer3000 21:22, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * agreed, sorry, i'm not sure how to re apply older versions and it's been done line by line, you can see where i'ts been done on the history page so we probably need a mod/admin person to sort out the vandalism tooDyna Dude 22:01, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Song
In HSM2, we have 7 songs: Check it for me, I take it in Wikipedia Vietnamese.
 * Fabulous - Sharpay & Ryan
 * I Don't Dance - Chad & Ryan
 * I've Gotta Go My Own Way - Gabriella
 * You Are The Music In Me - Troy & Gabriella
 * I Like This Feeling - Troy & Sharpay
 * What Time Is It? - All
 * All For One - All

International release dates
It has been confirmed that the film will premiere in the UK in september, as i have emailed disney and they confirmed this... Can this be added somewhere? i added it but it was removed..

comments? Amstoakes 22:20, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I also emailed Family Channel, here in Canada, and apparently it will air at the same time as the US as well.

Songlist
My New Philosophy - Karissa and Troy Who is Karissa? And Trever Bolton? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.186.167.99 (talk) 09:09, 16 May 2007 (UTC).


 * Who knows. No one's been able to cite a single source for those, and I'm deleting them every time. People, CITE YOUR SOURCE! -- Ipstenu ( talk | contribs ) 13:05, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Plot/Characters
Since in the plot it mentions martha, kelsi, and jason, shouldnt they be added to the cast?70.106.181.119 20:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

How can troy die in an accident and be in the third movie?!?!?!?!

I am fairly sure that that was just somebody vandalising, and I have changed it back to what it was before.

A Cameo Does Not Equal Main Cast
Please rectify the Miley Cyrus mention. I don't believe a cameo appearance on a movie (as any character) qualifies for inclusion in the primary cast. WAVY 10 17:12, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Moved it to production notes, you can edit it too you know :) -- <b style="color:green;">Ipstenu</b> ( talk | contribs ) 17:41, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Jason Dolley
On Jason Dolley's wikipedia page it says he plays Arthur Pendragon in HSM2 - Is this true?75.63.64.238 16:13, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope. Darn vandals. -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 16:45, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... Do you think he might have a cameo in it and someone just made up a name? (Like how people are saying the stuff about Miley Cyrus as Hannah Montana?) 76.202.217.159 23:44, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Arthur Pendragon is a character from Shrek 2 - VANDALISM people! Petty vandalism. 86.153.70.160 20:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC) Pookilicious

On Miley's cameo
A big note for you people who think Hannah Montana is in HSM2; she's not. Miley Cyrus has a cameo, which means she does not speak or sing profusely (or at all). As a matter of fact, the camera will be on her for probably no longer than five seconds before zooming to someone else. There will be no time to introduce her as Hannah Montana, and therefore any "Miley Cyrus as Hannah Montana" claims are bogus. ("Miley Cyrus as Random Girl #5" but not as Hannah Montana.)

A cameo is when they appear in the movie as an extra for a short period of time. There's usually no acting involved, no singing, no anything; as I said above, you'll be lucky if the camera is on her at all. You may need good eyes to see her! She will not have any songs on the soundtrack, no HM episodes will make any mention of it. She's just going to be a random extra. That's what a cameo's all about.

Don't you think if she was actually in the movie, news sources all over would be advertising the heck out of this fact? Besides, why would Disney merge Hannah and HSM? Zei-ness 02:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Someone has Miley as you know who again. WAVY 10 15:20, 3 June 2007 (UTC)


 * They also put Brittany Snow as some Tallulah character. WAVY 10 16:19, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I just added the words "role is currently unknown" to Miley's part. WAVY 10 18:27, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I think that is probably the best thing to do. AquafireGal 19:30, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I moved her back to production notes, where she was before all this wackiness started. She's not main cast, we don't even have a citation to verify this anymore! Yoinks! -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 23:11, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the best thing to do is delete it entirely until it can be sourced. It's prob just some fan who wants her to be in it. I think there would be many sources if she was actually going to be in it. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 03:30, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Brittany Snow as Tallulah Bolton?
Who is Tallulah Bolton? (On the HSM3 page, it says Brittany Snow plays her.)

answer: According to the profile on Brittany Snow, she will also be in HSM2 as Troy's sister, and also Ryan Evans's love interest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuffster (talk • contribs)
 * IMdB is not reliable in this. Consider it fancrut until we can externally verify it (which means: If you can't cite a newspaper or magazine, don't add it). -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 20:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Someone added Ms. Snow again, this time the character's she supposedly plays has the first name "Danielle" (it's also on her page). WAVY 10 13:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * A more recent entry (since deleted) resurrected the Tallulah character, this time claiming Amanda Bynes was playing her, which I'm positive I would have heard about somewhere if there was any truth to it. WAVY 10 14:00, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Plot
On the official High School Musical 2 website, the plot is slightly different and there are more details about character's devopment. Should we mix our current plot with that plot? Teeple12 16:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Other members of the Bolton family?
Who are these people?


 * Lucille Wing as Lucille Bolton
 * Mark Taylor as Mr. Fulton
 * Missi Peragram as Mrs. Evans

Sounds questionable. Has it been cited? WAVY 10 14:51, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yet again, the fanwankery factory is out in force. Removed. -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 20:50, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

It was in People Magazine HSM edition

Cast
Why is Miley Cyrus in the cast list? She's in the show for like 2 seconds.

it was supposed to be a cameo for hannah montana, but i guess that was removed, she is shown for less than a split second dancing.SuperWiki5 16:11, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

The full cast list is in credit order:

In opening credits at beginning of move (this is the starring cast):


 * Zac Efron as Troy Bolton
 * Vanessa Anne Hudgens as Gabriella Montez
 * Ashley Tisdale as Sharpay Evans
 * Lucas Grabeel as Ryan Evans
 * Corbin Bleu as Chad Danforth
 * Monique Coleman as Taylor McKessie
 * Mark L. Taylor as Mr. Fulton
 * Bart Johnson as Jack Bolton
 * Robert Curtis Brown as Mr. Evans

Added in closing credits at end of movie:


 * Jessica Tuck as Mrs. Evans
 * Alyson Reed as Ms. Darbus
 * Chris Warren Jr. as Zeke Baylor
 * Ryne Sanborn as Jason Cross
 * Olesya Rulin as Kelsi Nielsen
 * Kaycee Stroh as Martha Cox
 * Tanya Chisholm as Jackie
 * Miley Cyrus as Girl at Pool
 * Kelli Baker as Lea
 * McCall Clark as Emma
 * Leslie Wing Pomeroy as Mrs. Bolton
 * Jaymz Tuaileva as Javier
 * Annette Wright as Mrs. Hoffenfeffer
 * K. Danor Gerald as Player
 * Charan Prabhakar as Assistant Pro
 * Dave Fox as Coach Reynolds
 * Dave Nibley as Man # 2
 * Charles Hajek as Velet
 * Manly "Little Pickles" Ortega as Sharpay's Dog Boi

Where do you draw the line as to what to include in the article. We need a firm neutral rule. The choices are that we include either the whole cast, cast with a listed role name or just the starring cast as listed in the opening credits. Any thing else is potential WP:NPOV problem as WE would be making a judgment of value to the show and do a notability test for each inclusion. --NrDg 13:21, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Another option, which I much prefer, would be to do what High School Musical did and, instead of having a cast listing, do a character description (High School Musical) and include the lead and supporting characters with flesh-out details about their role. --NrDg 13:50, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Chris Warren Jr. as Zeke Baylor


 * Ryne Sanborn as Jason Cross


 * Olesya Rulin as Kelsi Nielsen


 * Kaycee Stroh as Martha Cox


 * Jessica Tuck as Mrs. Evans


 * Alyson Reed as Ms. Darbus

These characters are indeed notable. Zeke, Jason, and Martha had more prominent roles in this movie than the first one. They're mentioned in the first movie's article as supporting characters. Same with Kelsi. Why mention Mr. Evans without Mrs. Evans? Ms. Darbus is also in the first article. Other people...such as "Man #2" "Velet" and "Player" aren't important. The people I mentioned are supporting characters and indeed need mentioned. -Sukecchi 22:16, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm supporting NrDg's proposal...with a question. Are we going to talk about their portrayal in this page only (it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to have two different articles sharing character information)? WAVY 10 22:26, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Also consider these people as they are named characters and could have a paragraph written about them:
 * Tanya Chisholm as Jackie
 * Kelli Baker as Lea
 * McCall Clark as Emma
 * Leslie Wing Pomeroy as Mrs. Bolton
 * Jaymz Tuaileva as Javier
 * Annette Wright as Mrs. Hoffenfeffer
 * Dave Fox as Coach Reynolds
 * I'd also like to keep the list in credit order like I have in the first part of this section as that is the way the producers ordered importance. I created the list by watching the credits. Creating a paragraph on each character like what was done with High School Musical would establishes notability if there is something substantive to write about them. --NrDg 22:38, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I think the portrayals should be in this page only. --NrDg 22:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I replace the cast list with a character list with all the characters I think are candidates for a character summary. If a character is not important enough to have a summary it can be deleted but until then suggest we keep the list complete. Nothing has been lost, I just listed the character first in bold with the actor in parenthesis. --NrDg 23:15, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I watched the opening credits and I think that is what the cast list should be with a description of each character. --HSM7 5:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Grease (insert number here)
Should those be included in the titles (especially considering they are not connected in any way with either of the original Grease films)? I am leaning toward deleting the mentions? WAVY 10 14:37, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * For HSM 1 yes, because it was titled Greece 3 in some countries, I dunno if HSM2 has the same title or not. But HSM1 was titles Greece 3 in some countries. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 14:41, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it is TITLED "Grease 3".Dshibshm (talk) 23:18, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Good Morning America
The main cast was interviewed on ABC's Good Morning America July 2nd. WAVY 10 18:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

What is this?
Anyone know anything about this entry?

"In an interview with azcentral.com, Lucas Grabeel stated that the one musical number he starred in (humuhumunukunukua'pua'a)was cut, to be saved as bonus material for the take-home dvd.(6)" WAVY 10 13:58, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * SIIIIGH* Vandalism. A search of AZ Central only mentions him as a Disney Alum in 06, and they're really good about putting up articles ASAFP. -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 14:00, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

On the track listing for the HSM2 Soundtrack at amazon.co.uk (http://www.amazon.co.uk/High-School-Musical-Original-Soundtrack/dp/B000QCTGIE/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/026-0188879-4217255?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1184616392&sr=8-1)it states Humuhumunukunukuapua'a as a BONUS track. 86.153.70.160 20:09, 16 July 2007 (UTC)Pookilicious

Programming Info Released
The details are coming out regarding the August 17th debut of High School Musical 2 on Disney Channel. The premiere will be hosted from a backyard barbeque with the movie’s stars, Zac Efron, Vanessa Hudgens, Ashley Tisdale, Lucas Grabeel, Corbin Bleu, Monique Coleman, Olesya Rulin, Chris Warren, Jr., KayCee Stroh and Ryne Sanborn, and with director/choreographer Kenny Ortega.

It’s also been confirmed a new episode of Hannah Montana will air following the show guest starring Hollywood Records recording artists the Jonas Brothers. They will join Hannah Montana for her first ever full-length duet, performing an original song created for this episode. In the storyline, Miley Stewart is jealous when her dad, Robby, is songwriting with Kevin, Joe and Nick Jonas. Starring are Miley Cyrus and Billy Ray Cyrus, Emily Osment and Jason Earles.

Then of course for the encore performances throughout the weekend. On August 18th a Wildcat Chat featuring an interactive element where viewers get their questions answered by the stars of High School Musical 2. Plus, on 19th they’ll be airing a Sing-Along version.

http://tommy2.net/content/?p=1676


 * Can you source this? WAVY 10 13:36, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Tommy2.net purports itself to being in the know, and having contact with folks on the show. This was the site who's runner was upset we listed the citable info about the salary dispute.  While I don't doubt that they have this information, they're not really a citable source since they're a fan site. Which sucks :P -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 14:58, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * What makes something a 'fan' site and something that is not? Obviously the Disney people take care of that site and it's pretty safe to assume there is a decent amount of money being made.--75.64.158.182 21:26, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * A 'fan' site is run by a fan. Tommy2 is run by a fan, not Disney. Disney.com is run by Disney :) -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 21:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

This is a funny discussion. Here's my two cents. Check the 'Thank Yous' on both Ashley Tisdale and Corbin Bleu's CD's, particulary under the 'Media'. I'll take their word over yours. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 17.255.240.90 (talk • contribs)
 * Heh. Having not seen that (I bought the cds online), that means little. Indigo Girls CDs thank fan sites.  Basically, it's not a reliable, trusted media outlet.  And not, I'm not disputing the information!  I just don't think they're credible enough for Wikipedia's guidelines. Which sucks donkey parts cause it's useful, but it's on that edge.  And what sucks more?  New York Post is a trusted media outlet. And it's six inches from being a tabloid. If someone can find a news outlet that supports that info, we're good! -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 00:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I think that tommy2.net qualifies as a credible news source. If you go back into their archives, you will see that they have done a good job of checking their sources when they report something. What makes something a credible news source, IMHO is (1) they have been reporting in the market for a reasonable period of time, and (2) they have a good track record. tommy2.net qualifies on both counts.

tommy2.net has been reporting on the 'tween' demographic space for several years, and has even broken some stories. I don't find inaccuracies in their reporting. I would not have any problem citing them as a credible source. A fan site is run by a fan to promote some specific group or person. I fail to see how tommy2.net qualifies as a fan site. It appears to me that it is a journal, devoted to reporting on current events in the 'tween' demographic space. I understand that the publisher of the "Wall Street Journal" is a fan of business. Does that make the "Wall Street Journal online" a fan site? If your qualification for a trusted news source is something that also has a widely distributed paper counterpart, then "Weekly World News" would certainly qualify, as it is distributed at millions of grocery counters worldwide. --TweenMarketDemographer 18:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll try saying this another way ... If someone can give media exposure wherein Tommy2.net is mentioned as a source (that is can you find a source where they're cited as the source), then we have verifiability. I really wish they'd cite their sources, though.  Basically we're being asked to take their word for this without them even saying something like 'According to sources at Disney....'.  Check out WP:RS. Posting about it here would be the best way to go about it :) -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 18:48, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

What is that, a press release? WAVY 10 18:27, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I guess that I am confused about what your objective in this posting is. Is the issue to determine whether or not tommy2.net is a credible news source? I have defined my metrics of what a credible news source is, and they fit those metrics. If you feel that I am incorrect, then perhaps you would define your metrics of (a) a credible news source and (b) a fan site, then we can continue this discussion based on the merits of those metrics. It also appears that you think that, in order to be a trusted news source, you have to have been cited as such in a major market outlet. Let's say, for example, that I publish a weekly newspaper in a town of 10,000 people. It is very possible that none of my news stories have ever appeared, or been verified by, any major news outlet. Does this make me an "untrusted" journal? Should my 4 or 5 thousand subscribers not believe what I am printing, just because a major news outlet has never cited us? --TweenMarketDemographer 19:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The reason for my remark is that the previous post read more like a press release than a defense for using it. WAVY 10 19:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * My reason for my remark is that outside of the various times tommy2.net followers have posted here, I've never heard of it. It's a website without a physical magazine/print, I've never seen it referenced by other news sources, and they don't credit their sources. I haven't seen any reason to trust them any more than I would a blog.  -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 19:14, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Sir, just because you personally have never heard of them has absolutely no relevance in the discussion of whether or not they are a reliable news source. They have at least thousands of regular readers. The print media space is very crowded. There are hundreds, if not thousands of journals published that I personally have never heard of. But that has absoluletly no relavence to their merit as reliable sources. You are going to have to do better than that, I am afraid.

Tell me, sir. Do you consider TMZ.com to be a reliable source? Do you consider PerezHilton.com to be a reliable source? If so, by what metrics do you consider them to be a reliable source that you are certain do not apply to tommy2.net? --TweenMarketDemographer 19:25, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd go NO on the PerezHilton.com site. WAVY 10 19:43, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Can you provide a source wherein tommy2.net is credited, by an external site, preferable a major news outlet, but a kid magazine like tiger beat will do, as the source of information? If you can't, then I stick by my guns. If you can, then that's all I ever wanted :) Third party proof. If it really is all that, then this shouldn't be hard. -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 19:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

In the interest of objectivity, please, tell us, since we are supposed to be objective here,  what specific metrics did you use to determine that TMZ.com WAS a reliable source, and that PerezHilton.com WAS NOT? I think that is a fair question.-- Also, if I am understanding your reasoning correctly, then we should go through all of Wikipedia, and strike any small town newspapers who have been cited as a "source" unless they can prove that they themselves have been cited as a reliable source by a major publication. Is this correct? TweenMarketDemographer 20:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If it falls under this, then yes. That's what I'm saying. -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 23:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I opened up a dialogue over at Reliable Sources/Noticeboard since we seem to be at an impasse.  I feel tommy2.net counts as a personal webpage, or blog (by the Wikipedia sources definition) and therefore while accurate isn't good to use as a source.  One possible way of doing that is by third-party approval. I.E. another website that is reputable cites this one. It's not the only way to do it, but the first one that came to mind.  As they don't cite their sources (See Futon Critic for a site that does), it's hard to just look at this and go 'aha!'  Since it's sketchy, I think it's our responsibility to be able to back up what we believe.  So please, help me :) Don't accuse me, since you could spend the time finding a way to prove your point (which, again, I'm not opposing, I'm just wanting to verify first). -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 23:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I think there's one thing your are missing here. It's called 'New Media'. Here's a scenario very familiar. Take for example a page I have found here at Wikipedia for a guy named Wade Keller. He created a newsletter in Jr. High called the Pro Wrestling Torch. He isn't referred to at all in the top Wrestling magazines... you should know better that they would never credit the competition (similar to PopStar Magazine not referencing Tommy2.Net, yet using an obscure story referenced 3 months earlier). According to your page, Wade doesn't site sources and guess what? He's a huge fan of wrestling. While Tommy2.Net is in it's infancy compared to the Torch, it is obvious that it has it's fair share of breaking news prior to anyone else in addition to things that suggest it is well respected by those in the industry. Have you actually listened to any of the audio features or read it on a daily basis? For other credibility you might just want to use 'Google' and don't forget the two publications someone sourced way at the top of this page. I'll bet there are more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.25.164 (talk)

"No. The interviews are primary sources and should not be relied on to verify the information in the article. As for the rest of the site it is neither considered an authoritive source nor do we have any guarentees that they check their facts. As an unofficial rule of thumb, sites that would not pass WP:WEB should never be considered reliable sources. It is my firm belief that this site would not pass WP:WEB. There is also the risk of fact laundering where something of otherwise dubious thruthfulness is being passed on as the truth because it was reported by a reliable source. It's an article about an upcoming movie - stick to the bare facts for now and then expand once we have some reliable secondary sources. Keep in mind that we are not a news service. We are editors, not journalists. That's why we don't rely on primary sources. We use secondary reliable sources because that way we know that someone has already checked the facts. The criteria for inclusion is verifiability, not truth. MartinDK 14:17, 18 July 2007 (UTC)" Straight from the RS notice board. The site doesn't count as a Reliable Source. Doesn't matter if you think it's a good source for info or not, it doesn't pass policy. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 16:25, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Find some secondary sources that back up what Tommy2.net says, and we can add the stuff in. Otherwise we're blowing hot air. -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 17:12, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

http://www.reuters.com/article/televisionNews/idUSN1529894020070716 Over 24 hours later Reuters delivers the story. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.14.184.90 (talk)
 * See? Was that so hard? :) -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 19:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Knowing this information WAS correct and was posted here 24 hours prior. Now that is confirmed and verified shouldn't your original source be credited? Isn't the reporter who breaks a story the one who gets the credit? Not the networks that follow 24 hours later? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.25.164 (talk • contribs)
 * The information is slightly different between the two accounts, so I went with the one that's already reliable. -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 20:20, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... I'm starting to think you're not that great at your job. You forgot to list the Sing-Along version on the 19th. Going back, one broke the story, another one confirmed it. Did over 50% of the content come from Tommy2.Net? I think so. Clearly you people have a chip on your shoulder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.25.164 (talk • contribs)
 * You need to read WP:RS and WP:V. We do not report breaking news, we wait until someone (like Reuters) confirms it because then we know that a reliable secondary source confirmed it. We do not credit those you claim broke the story (Reuters does not cite them). For the last time... the criteria for inclusion is verifiability not truth. We are not a gossip site. If you do not accept that then too bad... because that's how it is. Also, and I can't believe this had to be explicitly stated, PerezHilton.com is not a reliable source. Nor is a news letter by a kid in junior high. Why are you so eager to get as many links as possible to tommy2.net on Wikipedia? MartinDK 11:01, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd also like to add that this is not a job (I don't get paid for this, I'm not even an Admin) and the point of Wikipedia is not 'breaking news' but documentation of facts. Once the facts are proven, does it matter who's cited or that the recorded history is out there? I care about the latter, you care about the former. And in that scenario, Wikipedia's not the place for you. You're just going to get upset, and I'm sorry about that. -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 13:23, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

A few publications where tommy2.net has been cited as a source:

http://freshreleases.com/news/1305.html

http://www.thechristianpulse.com/content/view/175/35/

http://www.christianmusictimes.com/BarlowGirl/tabid/167/Default.aspx

--TweenMarketDemographer 19:26, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Archive
The page is 31 KB. Can we archive the first half of the page? WAVY 10 16:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 19:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

the Music Video info
I think the information about the music videos should be moved under the soundtrack section.

Agreed. WAVY 10 18:03, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. It makes more sense. Snoborder93 22:51, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Trevor Bolton?
Who is this character? WAVY 10 16:15, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I believe it is the father of Troy Bolton Wizkid357 06:52, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * No it was a rumored character. Troy's father is Jack. Snoborder93 22:47, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

New Release Date
On the italian wikipedia there are more releases date! Write them! --81.208.83.241 08:23, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Followed by High School Musical 1?
In the box, it write : Followed by High School Musical 1, it's wrong, it's High School Musical 3!


 * I edited it back to High School Musical 3. It was probably vandalism.AquafireGal 11:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

2 is next! not 3! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.223.98.228 (talk) 22:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

What Time is It? (Air time)
The article says 9:00 p.m., but I saw a commercial on Disney Channel Saturday saying 8:00 p.m. (The normal DCOM premiere time). Which is correct? WAVY 10 15:00, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I would assume 8:00pm since that's when most DCOMs premier. I also wrote it in my calendar as 8pm so I would think that was what the commercials said. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 15:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Fios Tv Customers able to view Movie starting Aug. 10th
This friday, Verizon FiOS TV customers have access to HSM 2 via the FiOS On Demand service a full week before its scheduled release on the 17th. plenty of sources available.

-For any disbelievers the person isn't lying. When the first one came out, it came out on io a week early too. I just finished watching HSM 2.

Spoilers
The plot ending is spoiled in the plot area, and thus there should be warning. I'm not 100% sure how to put these warnings up myself properly, so if someone could do that, that would be great!
 * It doesn't seem fair to spoil the movie before it has even aired. I think the brief synopsis that is provided is fine for now. Once the movie has aired, the plot can be updated. Danielh8675 14:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Per WP policy, a section entitled "Plot" will obviously contain spoilers, so no spoiler tags are needed. SpikeJones 18:08, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Comcast TV
According to www.TVplanner.comcast.net it seems to suggest that disney will air 2 more encore presentations of this movie. can someone confirm this and then add to the page?


 * If you mean Saturday and Sunday, Disney always does that with new DCOM's. WAVY 10 13:56, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

We don't need to mention every freaking time the movie airs. Why is that important? -Sukecchi 14:10, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Every time isn't important just the first three since it is opening weekend. And to point out out what happened on the different days, Saturday was the wildcat chat, and Sunday was the sing a long.Rosario lopez 03:45, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

More Like the HSM Article
I personally think that we should revise this article to more resemble the High School Musical article. I mean, we could add a song section and other section that the HSM article has that this article does not. Obviously, we cannot add the Other Media, Awards, and DVD sections until those things come into play. But the characters (which would replace the cast) and the song section we could add.Snoborder93 01:28, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Same here...once the movie comes out! WAVY 10 17:25, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

May I?
I've seen the movie on-demand on Cablevision already. Is it okay if you let me update the plot after the premiere because I know it will be a revert/edit mess minutes after the credits start. I have a confirmed and perfect plot ready for Wikipedians to see. It seems appropriate enough for Wikipedia to understand and view. If you need to ask me questions, ask now. I am still following the notice of not editing the plot with the complete spoiler and only asking for permission. Accepting this may prevent messes around the article's plot section. --AOL Alex 20:13, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * After the (official {meaning Friday}) premiere is fine with me. WAVY 10 20:17, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yesh, also, i'm afraid that the one on IMdb is a bit too long... shouldn't someone shorten it here without editing IMdb's full plot? --AOL Alex 00:19, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Miley Cyrus cameo
Iv'e seen many times on here (And other articles)that Miley Cyrus is is doing a cameo in the movie. Yet, I don't see it in here. Can some one who's already seen it (Thanks to Disney on Demand) prove it, then add it? By the way, there's a 1 in 4 chance she's in it, since it was on a poll people took to choose little things that might happen in the movie (about 1/2 a year ago). Abcw12 09:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I think some of the editors felt that, since it's a brief cameo, it's not exactly important enough to include on this page (as opposed to Miley's page). WAVY 10 16:15, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

She is in the very last song, toward the end. She is wearing a yellow dress and is dancing, with some guy.- seth21136
 * That's why it's not important. She's in the background, dancing with some guy there's no detail about it. Sign your posts properly please, with four "~" -Sukecchi 21:50, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Since this is the legendary Wikipedia, the collective knowledge of every users on the web, shouldn't this page contain all relative information about the movie even the minor details? For a normal encyclopedia this kind of small detail may not matter but for people who watch movies for star cameo appearances this kind of information may matter somewhat.
 * I agree. Maybe this cameo could be in a trivia section.Mr Kupo 05:26, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Mr Kupo, I'm not saying it should be a big thing listed here, just a little fact in the trivia section. Abcw12 23:46, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I also agree, considering Disney.com had an online poll to select the Hannah Montana star the viewers wanted to see in the movie. Not necessarily needing of its own category, but a mention would be nice. SkittlzAnKomboz 02:36, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, she is there. I actually watched it and saw her and was like "Why in the world do they feel the need to throw her in?" She is in the last song, "All For One", she is one closer shot, dancing. Unintended Disaster 04:06, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

If you watch the movie you can notice that some songs are a bit different from the soundtrack (Fabulous and Work This Out, at the end). That is becuase the songs were recorded before the final edition of the script. That means that Miley Cyrus doesn't sing in All For One, as it's written on the Musical Numbers section. 84.120.173.177 16:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * No one said she sang ANY of the songs. She was seen DANCING near the end of "All for One". WAVY 10 Fan 16:49, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

hey yea miley is in there I had to look for her thought but she is in there and its important <3 BrItTaNy

she's dancing with one of the choreographers, Chucky.

Can Someone please add this!
If someone that is able to edit the page can add this link, or the information that his link provides. Thank you!



Cheetahg29 18:41, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Please add to article: While the movie is supposed to take place in new mexico, the license plate on one of the cars is from Utah.


 * Meaningless. Cars can have tags from any state. SpikeJones 18:06, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Good observation, but if you read up on the background of the movie, then you will notice that the film really was shot in Utah. New Mexico is where it is portrayed.Dshibshm (talk) 23:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Review in USA Today/Notability
I read the Life section for today's (August 17) USA Today, and the reviewers give HSM2 a 3-star review. Since I have never seen a DCOM (including HSM1) achieve a rating higher than 2.5 stars, would that rating prove especially notable? WAVY 10 20:17, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I think it could be incorporated into the 'ratings' section if we renamed it to 'reception'. If you can provide a link, I think it's notable. Dh993 13:04, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Got it right here. You'll have to look under the Troy/Gabriella picture. WAVY 10 14:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I moved everything having to do with reception under one section, and I added a tidbit from the USA article. Hope that looks good. Dh993 15:09, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

You meant...
You meant every country has to have its premiere in order for me to edit and add the plot? Because 10 seconds later, someone reverted it, as if they wanted every country to have its premiere first (Including Italy and Spain). --AOL Alex 04:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I removed your plots as a copyright violation. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 23:46, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

RATINGS
Does anyone know how many people watched the movie premier on Aug 17?

Nielson will probably release ratings info in a couple days. Dh993 15:50, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * If you saw it Friday, you became witnesses to cable television history, as this movie has apparently set an all-time basic cable record with about a 17.24 rating (which probably would make it #1 in summer network broadcasts). WAVY 10 13:52, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Last time I checked, HSM2 was 2nd when it came to most views behind Super Bowl 39. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Plot section
Can someone please add some links and references to the plot section? There needs to be some blue text in there.

Special Airings
Since this is a premiere weekend, I think we should add a special showings feature:

Besides, the events should have been already added in Release Information. Calebaldwinjun9 02:04, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I think it can be touched upon briefly in the release information, but a whole section devoted to it seems unnecessary and "ad-like". Dh993 15:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Mr. Evans
I added Mr. Fulton and Mrs. Evans to the cast list and I was going to add Mr. Evans, but I have looked EVERYWHERE and cannot find out who plays him. I haven't paid much attention to the credits of the movie so that didnt help. Does anybody know so we can add it?Snoborder93 22:49, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Character List
I'm probably going to watch it the next time it comes on and intend to take notes. WAVY 10 23:10, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I request that editors don't delete any of the characters in the list until everyone has a chance to flesh out the descriptions. The characters are currently in credit order with the credited names given. If you change them please give a reason for the change. --NrDg 02:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I added a description to the supporting characters and deleted the ones who have no significant value to the movie. I also put them in the order they were in during the opening credits as they are the most important characters in the movie. --HSM7 05:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Lead Cast
It has always been said throught HSM 1 and 2 that there are six main characters. (Troy, Gabriella, Sharpay, Ryan, Chad, and Taylor). So if this has been stated, then why do some people keep adding Jack Bolton, Mr. Fulton, and Mr. Evans here? Candyo32 03:02, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * They are in the opening credits so the infobox should reflect that. They are entitled to the "Starring" billing as a matter of production protocol, which is what the info box should reflect. I don't have a problem moving them from "Lead Characters" to "Supporting characters" in the character list if that is the role they actually play. The movie itself is a primary source and should be used for factual data like cast, crew and who gets credited for what. All I request is that people keep the cast list in credited order for now until descriptions of the characters can be filled out. After that is done a pruning pass for unimportance should be done. I think now is too soon for that. --NrDg 03:12, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I moved the 3 from lead to supporting based on your reasons. Left them in info box.--NrDg 03:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Release information / Release dates
It makes little sense to me for these to be two separate sections, but I'm unsure how to go about merging them. Do we take out the USA & Canada releases from the table and change section heading to "International Releases" or do we simply move the table and add as a subheading for the Release information section? Hmm... -  ǀ Mikay ǀ   11:12, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Under Release Dates, the NZ release channel is listed as Disney Channel New Zealand, when all we get is Disney Channel Australia :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.72.5.212 (talk) 10:15, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Confusion
in the film, it seems like what the movie is trying to tell us is that Troy changes. How does he change? If it means character, it's pretty hard to notice. All the change I see is Troy getting new oppurtunities and embracing them. Also, I didn't really see why the song "Gotta Go My Own Way" would have much emotion. All I see in that scene is Gabriella leaving a country club and Troy disappointed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.43.20.53 (talk) 13:12, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the song served as a wake-up call of sorts. WAVY 10 13:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Wikipedia is not a forum... Codelyoko193  Talk 03:00, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, cmon! That song is FULL OF EMOTION. It is a life-affecting experience for both Troy and Gabriella.Dshibshm (talk) 23:25, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

HELP!
what was the original name of the movie before that had hsm 2, i know it was like hsm: something....anyone know what it was? THANKS! --Yankeesrj12 19:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Is this relevant to the discussion of the HSM2 article? See WP:FORUM, please. Dh993 02:34, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * um yes it is --Yankeesrj12 16:46, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

it was High School Musical. That was it. Rachypie12 19:01, 4 April 2008(UTC)

"FUN PACK" trading cards from Topps
there are new fun packs that includes 4 trading cards, 3 stickers, from Topps. its avaiable at target, walmart, cvs... its avaible from september!! ADD THIS PLEASE :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.125.22.234 (talk) 21:17, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * There are so many pieces of merchandise being released in regards to HSM2 that if we were to include every single one, the article would read like an ad (see WP:ADVERT). I think notable merchandise like DVD releases is okay, but stickers/trading cards, etc. can be brushed aside. Dh993 02:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Drew Seeley 'Miming' Vandalism?
In the Production Section, someone has written that Zac Efron did not actually sing in this movie due to Hairspray commitments, and that Drew Seeley did, as in High School Musical 1, however, it has a citation link leading to an article stating that Zac Efron DID sing in HSM2. Is this just Vandalism or someone not reading the article properly? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scarletsugar (talk • contribs) 13:54, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe the error has been fixed. Dh993 15:24, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

High School Musical 2 Premiere
The High School Musical 2 premiere was dazzled by stars....

http://z.about.com/d/christianteens/1/0/N/-/-/-/HSM2.jpg the cast with the director

Zac Efron and Vanessa Anne Hudgens looked superb together http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/21/14/0000042114_20070815145906.jpg

http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/21/10/0000042110_20070815142656.jpg  Ashley rocked in the white dresssss!!!!!!!

http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/21/03/0000042103_20070815142635.jpg     And here's Lucas looking both cute and funny!!!

http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/21/17/0000042117_20070815145915.jpg  Monique with Zac!!

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0coX2aZ3Pt7kZ/340x.jpg Selena Gomez looking all cute with Minnie Mouse!!!!

http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/21/02/0000042102_20070815142632.jpg Miley Cyrus at the premiere with Minnie Mouse...

http://www.mediastorehouse.com/image/High-School-Musical-2_529535.jpg Emily Osment looking cute....

http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/21/08/0000042108_20070815142650.jpg    Cody looking handsome with Mickey Mouse.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.207.199 (talk) 16:36, 18 May 2008 (UTC) Kate Moss is his girlfriend even though she is only 10! They have had sex and now Kate is now a preggie! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cherryblossom98 (talk • contribs) 10:49, 20 July 2008 (UTC)