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So...are they televised or not?
The bullet point under "Televised high averages" says 'Averages marked with * were streamed via the internet or weren't televised'--which is a little bit like saying "here's a list of pizza toppings, except for those marked which are not allowed to go on top of a pizza."

Gary Anderson and Kyle Anderson have both thrown 130+ averages in non-televised events this past year, so if those are being excluded from the list, I don't see the use of having ones marked as "Not TV" being included here as well. --  Randall00  Talk 17:43, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Just an FYI, RVB just hit a 116.05 average in the semi-finals of the World Cup against DVDB. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.253.133 (talk) 18:54, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, no televison shoud be no inclusion here. Also there could be some text about those 130+ averages. -Koppapa (talk) 05:06, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I've remoded streamed tourneys. -Koppapa (talk) 07:20, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

I don't believe Anastasia Dobromyslova's 100.20 average was televised. The England Classic/Matchplay/Masters/Open usually isn't. It also isn't the highest match average from a female player. -Ochepedia (talk) 16:27, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Proposed removal of career and yearly average leaders
In order to calculate accurate averages for a year or a career, one would need to know the number of points scored and darts thrown in every match, including floor tournaments, going as far back as the 1980s. This detail of data does not exist in the world of darts, even from the PDC or other governing bodies. The averages derived from Darts Database are inaccurate; the figures are calculated by taking an average of all the match averages available in the database, even if there are many events excluded. With the PDC's introduction of DartConnect, long-term averages are only possible beginning in 2018. Thus these two sections should be deleted. There will likely never be enough information to fill in data holes between 1978-2018 to preserve any hope of correcting these tables. Ochepedia (talk) 05:11, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Double in
The article doesn't explain how 3 dart average is calculated for "double in" (a.ka. double in double out) tournaments. How does it work? If the missed darts at the opening double are included, this would artificially reduce a player's career average. --Jameboy (talk) 12:51, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Those count. There isn't a official carrer average anyway. -Koppapa (talk) 13:48, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

MODUS High Dart Averages
On the page for nine dart finish, we treat MODUS nine-dart legs as having happened on television, because they did. I'm wondering why we don't do the same for this page considering players like Darryl Pilgrim have hit averages which would easily qualify to be on the list of highest televised averages (see https://twitter.com/MSSdarts/status/1693024078259503255). DanTheStripe (talk) 14:10, 6 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Added Beau Greaves' average as the highest televised average by a female player. But if MODUS is gonna be counted as televised we need to be consistent. In March 2024, in Group A Session 1 of Week 5 of Modus Super Series 7, Andreas Harryson posted a 117.88 in a 4–0 whitewash of Michael Burgoine. That would qualify as a televised average of 114.00 or over. JamesVilla44 (talk) 09:22, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Euro tour events in high average tables?
Why? These are non televised events. If Damon Heta is going in then there’s a considerable amount of entries that should be there too. Solarized67 (talk) 20:29, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * They are televised. They are on the PDC darts channel. 86.22.233.85 (talk) 20:52, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * What are you saying constitutes televised? 86.22.233.85 (talk) 20:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That is not a televised event. Hence none of the other 114 averages on euro tour events being on there.
 * You’ll be advocating Players Champ averages being on there because it’s on PDC.tv? 81.106.225.116 (talk) 22:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * https://www.pdc.tv/tournaments/calendar?type%5B0%5D=192
 * PDC Calendar, under “Televised events”. No Euro tour. Solarized67 (talk) 13:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * “You’ll be advocating Players Champ averages being on there because it’s on PDC.tv?”
 * No because it’s not on any other platforms. JamesVilla44 (talk) 09:52, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * “The European Tour sees three-day tournaments held at venues across Europe.
 * Held from February–October, European Tour events feature 48 players, made up of PDC Tour Card Holders, Associate Member Qualifiers and Host Nation Qualifiers.
 * Prize money won in European Tour events counts towards the PDC Order of Merit, ProTour Order of Merit and European Tour Order of Merit.
 * All European Tour events are streamed live through Viaplay in the UK, the Netherlands, Poland and all Nordic & Baltic countries, and through DAZN for viewers in Germany, Austria and Switzerland.
 * Coverage will also be shown on PDCTV (excluding Germany, Austria and Switzerland) and through bookmakers worldwide.” JamesVilla44 (talk) 09:50, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Viaplay was taken over by Premier Sports in the UK. There was no coverage in the U.K. apart from PDC.tv.
 * The PDC doesn’t (correctly) consider euro tour events as a “TV event”.
 * https://www.pdc.tv/tournaments/calendar?type%5B0%5D=192 81.106.225.116 (talk) 11:57, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The PDC only deals with the UK!Tvx1 11:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * If the MODUS Super Series is considered a televised event, which it is on Wikipedia while currently being streamed on YouTube, why would the 2024 European Tour events not meet the same criteria. BBC Sport considers Littler's nine-dart finish at the 2024 Belgian Darts Open to be a televised nine-dart finish. “BBC Sport - 10 March 2024 | Luke Littler has already hit two televised nine-darters as a teenager”. We have it counted as a televised nine-dart finish on the Luke Littler page because it’s verified by reliable sources such as the BBC as a televised nine-dart finish.

JamesVilla44 (talk) 09:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


 * If the 2024 European events are meeting criteria then where are the other 114 averages on the list? The BBC are utterly clueless that’s why? Jumped on the bandwagon of darts post Littler.
 * He has one TV 9 darter.
 * https://mastercaller.com/nine-darters
 * Where is Scott Waites on the TV 9 darter list? He hit one last year “on TV” apparently.
 * https://www.sportinglife.com/darts/news/darts-results-scott-waites-hits-nine-darter-on-opening-day-of-german-darts-championship/213050 81.106.225.116 (talk) 12:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It's just daft. It's all televised now. They should be on there. Do we all agree. All in favour say Bullseye! 86.22.233.85 (talk) 20:55, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * But what I wonder if we’ll be able to get consensus for their removal from Littler’s page being kept and with the nine dart finish page the nine darters being renoved for those from Belgian Darts Open events. JamesVilla44 (talk) 21:25, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Mastercaller isn’t a reliable source on this matter. It’s not run by a professional press team, like the BBC, and they apparently only consider UK TV channel. As for Scott Waites, if you can provide proof that that particular match was televised (e.g. on a German TV channel), you can add it to the list.Tvx1 12:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * spot on James. Let's do this. Let's get them all on here. All televised get them on here. Brilliant 86.22.233.85 (talk) 20:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I wasn’t proposing we restropectively add, there’s no need for the sarcasm. Talk pages are for reaching consensus about changes and discussing, not for poking at other users. Your aim should be to reach a consensus that we agree to follow, not challenge others with remarks. JamesVilla44 (talk) 21:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * sorry no offence intended, merely being jovial. I just feel if it would be a shame if someone made a mammoth average in a European event and it wasnt recorded on Wikipedia, just because it's not on a live channel, even though both Sky and PDC require subscriptions to watch. It's all a bit daft in my view. But wasn't having a dig at anyone, so apologies for the misunderstanding. 86.22.233.85 (talk) 20:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Have you ever considered that there might be television OUTSIDE the UK??. The Belgian darts open is always shown on one of Belgium’s major free-to-air TV channel as well as on Viaplay in the Netherlands. Belgium’s broadcast is a full scale TV production with on-site commentators, pundits and interviewers. Tvx1 11:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)