Talk:Higher-order volition

Don't Merge
A chapter of his book reads "Someone has a desire of the second order either when he wants simply to have a certain desire or when he wants a certain desire to be his will. In situations of the latter kind, I shall call his secdond-order desires "second-order volitions" or "volitions of the second kind."


 * It's true that Frankfurt draws a distinction between the terms, but the distinction doesn't seem to be widely adopted. -- Alan McBeth 19:17, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Frankfurt makes a division between 'second-order desire' and 'second-order volition'. this is crucial to his theory. The second order volition is a desire to have a desire (one in which will move you to action). The second order desire is a desire to have a desire that you do not want to be fufilled. This would include (from the example) the doctor wanting to experience a drugs addiction without actually wanting the drug. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.101.140 (talk) 04:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

action determining wishes
That may not be the actual term used by Harry Frankfurt. I've translated that from German myself. --Fasten 09:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Merge
I think this is the same thing as Higher order desires. any objections?--Kalossoter 20:04, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I'd agree to merge it under the term "Higher-order volitions". Desire seems to be a word that may be suited for first order wishes/desires/volitions but doesn't seem to describe higher order volitions appropriately. --Fasten 17:46, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

This also seems to be the term user by Harry Frankfurt: "The desire that governs him as he is acting is in agreement with a higher-order volition concerning what he wants to be his governing desire." On the other hand the term "desire" is also used: "But suppose that we are doing what we want to do, that our motivating first-order desire to perform the action is exactly the desire by which we want our action to be motivated, and that there is no conflict in us between this motive and any desire at any higher order." Both quotes are from (PDF) --Fasten 17:56, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Please provide a quote of the definition
The definition of free will as it is presented now contradicts the definition given here. --Fasten 18:24, 22 December 2006 (UTC)