Talk:Highlander II: The Quickening

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That is not Alex in H2!!!!

Accept it. H2 and H3 do not fit together. Brenda Wyatt died by solar radiation, not Alex Johnson. If H3 fits anywhere, it's with the television series, not the second film.

Change made on 01/03/2007: It is now widely accepted by fans so much that is has become part of the official Highlander timeline that Highlander 2 was nothing more than a Drug-induced dream of Connor MacLeod's during his time imprisioned inside the santuary seen in Highlander: Endgame. This information was added.

It is not as widely accepted as you suggest, and it is certainly not official.--TOOTCB 04:38, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Acutally it is official, P-D announced that way back when rumors of Highlander: The Source first started popping up. Of course, then they made a craptastic Source movie so maybe itll be drug-induced eventually too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.162.181.238 (talk) 19:02, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm going to have to step in on the side of Anon, as Davis/Panzer did make the announcement quite a while ago. It heated up the official forums alot when it hit.  I'll see if I can find any refs still up. Hooper (talk) 21:42, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Nevermind, two seconds later James here tells me it was him who did it, and he was unlucky finding a source to ref. I'll still try, but it really isn't even that significant to warrant a note I'd say.  All over and done with. Hooper (talk) 21:44, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Argentina?
It is unclear what Argentina has to do with this movie. Why would economic problems in Argentina impact the quality of thte end product? Mvblair 01:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The movie was shot in Argentina, thus the country's economic problems would have an impact on how the movie was made. Kt'Hyla 18:15, 20 Nov 2007 (EST)


 * Argentina was having economic problems around the time of Highlander II's production. As a result, filming went over budget, and scenes that were intended for the movie's original story didn't end up being filmed, had they been filmed, the movie's story would've been much more smoother. The film's bond company took the film from the producers and with what had been filmed, they edited together what became the first cut, which was not what the producers and director Russell Mulcahy had intended. New scenes that were meant for the original film were shot in the mid-1990s when the Renegade Version was put together. --Kensane (talk) 11:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

The appearing/disappearing katana
Irishguy went in and summarily removed my entire section dealing with the curious case of the disappearing and reappearing swords of MacLeod and Ramirez. This is rather heavy-handed. What do other people think? It's certainly verifiable what happened, so for it to be removed as "POV" is inappropriate I feel.

So I have re-added this section until someone can tell me why it is so different from other critical sections.

Many of my friends have noted this as one of the funniest parts of the movie, a subplot in itself, so I thought Highlander 2 deserves this section. It is not for Irishguy to remove without debate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lincoln muadib (talk • contribs) 23:08, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * If you can find a reliable source in which either the producers or a third-party reviewer speak about it, then go ahead. Otherwise, it is original research and not allowed on Wikipedia. Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 09:43, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Views of a producer required to state plot points? I feel as if all I'm doing is stating/drawing attention to a plot that actually occurrs in the film. Other users noted that MacLeod's sword changed for no apparent reason, especially in the final scene where he goes from alien sword to katana- even in that section the author noted it was unknown how MacLeod got the sword again. How is that not original research ?

I'm happy to recraft the section without too much personal interpretation, even to put in in the "Criticism" section, but anyone actually viewing the film can see for their own eyes that the swords appear and disappear. Why do I need a producer source to verify this when others do not need producer source to state, for instance(in the "Criticism" section), that it is odd that Ramirez does not know MacLeod despite their having met on planet Zeist? How is this any different to my section in verifiability?

Lincoln muadib (talk) 22:33, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

OK, found a reference, added it in, OK now? Now it's neither just me nor every viewer that can see this.


 * Thank you for taking the time. Well, there are several issues here. First of all, the article is in a poor state, which is why not everything in it is sourced as it should be. The Highlander WikiProject is aiming to improve all Highlander-related articles though, and while we're not working on this particular article right now, it's better not to allow more unsourced material to be added. You're quite right that other trivial points are not sourced, and when this article is eventually worked on seriously, those trivial points will probably not be kept. I'm sorry if your feelings have been hurt, but it's really not personal, it's a matter of policy. We're looking at such standards as the E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial article here. Read it and you will see what I mean. As you can see, there's a long way to go. Second, the points you raise are not part of the plot, they are more like trivia. How are they different from goofs and are they really important to the main plot ? This is Wikipedia. You cannot answer those questions yourself. You need reliable sources and you need to cite them. If the producers, or journalists, say something about the swords, then it might be notable enough to be included. Please don't take it the wrong way if I say that user opinion is not a reason to include information in an article. Wikipedia is not a democracy. I'm not too sure about your sources though, I can't make out if the site editors are checking their sources, but I'll have a look at it later and leave it in the article for now. (Please note that policy says, "Questionable sources are those with a poor reputation for fact-checking. Such sources include websites and publications that express views that are widely acknowledged as extremist, are promotional in nature, or rely heavily on rumors and personal opinions. Questionable sources should only be used in articles about themselves.") Again, this article is in a poor state, and is NOT an example of what things should look like here. Third, we are trying to write a serious encyclopedia, and so joke titles like "The amazing disappearing/reappearing katana!" cannot stay. People seeking serious information will not be impressed by those, so I'm going to modify it. I think I have a look at the entire article for fact-checking soon, and you're welcome to help. Thank you for your time, and have a nice day. Rosenknospe (talk) 13:31, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

OK, I can see that section has been pared-back to drier debate. Still in line with the point I was making so I'm happy to leave it as that. Ta for expounding on the reasons.

I'm very new to this wiki business. . . Lincoln muadib (talk) 08:17, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem, everyone here was. Check your talk page, I've posted you a welcome template with all the links you need at the beginning. If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to drop me a line, and happy editing ! Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 12:00, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Just went back and rewatched my Special Edition Highlander II DVD. . . noted that in this version it does explain/ show how Ramirez comes to have the scottish sword- so edited the section accordingly.Lincoln muadib (talk) 02:24, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

International Version or European version ?
It seems, it exists an European theatrical lost version (100mn), which is a prerenegade / director's cut with the knowledge of original screenplay.

I think, this is the version I saw in France (dubbed in french).

I found this: - http://www.figmentfly.com/published/highlander2article.html --Vspaceg (talk) 15:57, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


 * There is indeed a "European theatrical cut" of the movie as I also saw this when it opened theatrically in Sweden.


 * You can find the listing for it at the BBFC database with the actual timing of it as 100:20 in length. They did a subsequent cut for theatrical viewings in the UK of 32 seconds giving it a length of 99:48. Home video version in the UK are however not using this cut but the US theatrical.
 * http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/0/03D4E9EA66BCCBF3802566C80043CE9A?OpenDocument


 * The french ratings board also list it with a 100 min playing time. That version was issued on VHS and laserdisc in France but the original DVD release uses the US theatrical cut. The latest French DVD release is the same cut as seen in the US Region 1 Special Edition.
 * http://www.cnc.fr/


 * Also issued theatrically in Sweden it was reviewed by the Swedish censors board with a total length given as 100:33 and demanded 4 cuts totalling 55 seconds to 99:38. DVD releases are the Renegade Version.
 * http://193.15.197.33/FMPro?-db=wfilm.fp5&-format=detalj.htm&-lay=webgrund&-op=cn&TitelDoek=highlander&-max=10&-recid=37482&-find=


 * The Norwegian Media Authority lists a running time of 100:43 minutes, it wasn't cut but they banned it altogether for theatrical viewings. It was later released on VHS and DVD but as the Renegade Version only.
 * http://film.medietilsynet.no/Filmdatabase?Id=D001225


 * These are all containing the infamous fairytale ending as well as scenes later seen in the Renegade Version and Special Edition. It still doesn't use the original screenplay but a version of it.(Ferdinandhudson (talk) 03:32, 3 February 2008 (UTC))

Film poster
I have replaced the poster in the infobox with a poster that has credits on it and was the final release poster for the film. The replaced poster has no credits and looks more like the DVD cover than a release poster. (Quentin X (talk) 09:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC))

There can be only one
After the release of Highlander II, I read a review ending by stating that the most basic mistake of the sequel is precisely ignoring the first movie's motto: "There can be only one!" 89.139.225.20 (talk) 20:34, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

The funniest thing about this movie is that the script was completely ripped off a forgotten early science fiction novel called "The Shield" (which is why it has so little to do with the first movie). Gregory Widen and Peter Bellwood, along with screenwriter Brian Clemens and co-producer William Panzer, supposedly came up with the story and screenplay for Highlander II. Utter bullshit. I found the novel while working at a used bookstore and didn't buy it, sadly. I can't prove it until I find the novel or remember the author's name, so I don't expect anyone to believe me. I remember being astounded that such a bad plot had actually come from a published book, albeit from the 1930s and long out of print. The premise, basic plotline, and of course "secret beyond the Shield" were all there.

Fourth version of Highlander II
I read on the article that fans of Highlander II have put together a fourth version of the film, yet there are no sources about this, and there's information on where to obtain it. Where can one view this fourth version of Highlander II? --Kensane (talk) 11:39, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sure many people make their own versions of films. Just take a look at YouTube! Stating that fans made a "fourth version" is like stating that people write fanfiction. I vote to have it removed. It's not canon, nor in any way official, and sounds like useless trivia. Selenameeka (talk) 14:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I found out where to find it ... it's released in a four-DVD boxset of Highlander 2. Thanks anyway. --Kensane, 22:51, 30 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.172.110 (talk)

Clancy Brown Make-Up Trivia
This is an urban legend or completely taken out of context. It's absurd for one thing; how can a film and TV actor get away with not wearing make-up? He can't. It's just not true. But more importantly, there is absolutely no substantiation for this rumor. I'm removing it from this page. There may be some truth to Clancy Brown turning down an offer to appear in the movie, but this is not why. If someone can find any truth to this claim, please add it. If someone can find any evidence with a reference and a link to show otherwise, I suggest that no one puts this urban legend back in to the article.--74.235.10.129 (talk) 16:03, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * While it's true that Brown isn't allergic to makeup in general, he is allergic to latex prosthetics, or at least the adhesive used in their application. He was apparently hospitalized after a reaction to the makeup used in "The Bride", and nearly turned down the role for the Kurgan in the original Highlander due to this. The only source I can find regarding Highlander 2: The Abomination, is in the fourth link provided here (not sure how valuable these are as sources):

Other
The article says that "He (Ramirez) also states that he would kill Connor if the fight for the ultimate prize came down to the two of them", but the version I have shows him just throwing Connor aside and continuing their training when Connor asked. Is there another version? Aurast (talk) 18:48, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000317/bio
 * http://www.clancybrown.com/articles/starlog1.html
 * http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091203/trivia
 * http://www.highlanderworldwide.com/world/films/highlanderII/trivia.html
 * Kt&#39;Hyla (talk) 06:12, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Trailer scenes
I had the misfortune of seeing this when it was first released, attracted to it both as the sequel to Highlander and on the strength of the trailers. I could have sworn at the time that there were scenes in the trailers that did NOT appear in the final cut. If there's a reference for this somewhere, it might be an interesting fact to include. 192.91.173.42 (talk) 03:47, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

American production
The British Film Institute says this is an American production:. I'm thinking we should go with what they say. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:43, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Country of origin
The sources added by the IP editor do not label this an Argentinian film; they just say that shooting took place there. Of the reliable sources that explicitly state the film's country of origin, none I've seen say that this is an Argentinian film:
 * American Film Institute: American
 * British Film Institute: American
 * AllMovie: American and British

Lumiere doesn't have an entry. I think it's fairly clear that this is not an Argentinian film, though shooting took place there. The sources the IP added only discuss the shooting and never label it an Argentinian film. By way of comparison, Star Wars: Episode IV was shot partly in Tunisia, but that doesn't make it a Tunisian film. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 12:36, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

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