Talk:Highways in Poland

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I'm sorry but Polish road infrastructure is amongst the worst in Europe. I don't know who told you that they're well developed. I'd say it's almost a joke...

The condition of roads in Poland is very very bad and is deteriorating as there is no real money to repare them. I mean, I have to use them and it's very very difficult and tiring to drive on Polish roads.

To give an example: going from Warsaw to Bialystok on the best (and only!) road ("national road nr 8") takes from 3 to 3.5 hours. It's 150 km (about 90 miles).

Bad road conditions is a frequent excuse for abusing the highway code. Speed limits are not obeyed at all. In Warsaw, despite a general limit of 50 km/h, you are intimidated, flashed, horned or yelled at unless you do 80-100. (Drivers are bad here as well...)

As for the lenght of motorways.

Here http://marcius004.webpark.pl/siec_autostrat_teraz.gif you can see the motorway (dubbed "expressway" in the wiki article) network in Poland as it is now. There are currently 394 km of motorways in Poland. That is, 245 miles.

Construction of more motorways is planned, some are constructed at the moment, but as it is very expensive (around euro 4M per 1 kilometer), banks won't credit them, so the process is very lenghty. The motorway linking Warsaw and Gdansk is to be completed in 2015 - 2020 more realistically.

Here you can find the plans for the network: http://marcius004.webpark.pl/autostrady_plany_to_tylko_plany.jpg

But we say "these are just plans" as originnaly, the whole network was meant to be built by no later than 2007. Well, that's a typical Polish government kind of joke.

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So, there are very few existing motorways. Almost all are in construction or still being planned. The most finished motorway is in the South of the country and links Krakow, Katowice and Wroclaw.

There are very two-lane roads as well, the longest of which is the road linking Warsaw and Katowice and dubbed "Trasa Katowicka" or "Gierkówka" (from the name of the then 1st Secretary who decreted building it).

Here is an excerpt from the US Department of State information on Polish road conditions: "The number of cars on the road in Poland has increased substantially. Driving, especially after dark, is hazardous. Roads are generally narrow, badly lit, frequently under repair (especially in the summer months), and are often also used by pedestrians and animals."

The expressway linking Warsaw and Gliwice is to be built by 2010. There is no such road at the moment (any road, I mean).

The expressway linking Krakow and Czechia is not even planned!

There is no expressay linking Warsaw and Bialystok. There only is a one-lane national road there. The same applies to Warsaw-Gdansk, Warsaw-Poznan, Warsaw-Bydgoszcz, Gdansk-Swinoujscie and many others.

Who drew that picture? :-)

To the condition of Poland's Motorways, most of them are now in an excellent condition.

The A4 has been fully renovated, and reopened a month or so ago, in september. The A2 is in very good condition; nice asphalt, little traffic, and good signage.

The real problem are those non-motorway roads. They have a lot of track-forming in the roads, and the overall quality is bad.

Now, it looks like all Polands roads are very bad. Most Motorways are in a better condition than for example German ones.

I think the two maps in the article are misleading as one shows only motorways and the other shows motorways and expressways. This can lead to a false impression that there currently are no expressways in Poland, which is not true. Of course there are descriptions but a reader doesn't have to read them.

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I think this article should be renamed to "Roads in Poland", because there's already "Expressways in Poland", and in this article should be more general info on roads in Poland.--83.242.88.168 (talk) 15:41, 17 February 2010 (UTC) What does it mean 'Grodno - Nowogrodek - Polish-Soviet border near Minsk - 190 km'? Soviet Union no longer exists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.222.86.83 (talk) 15:00, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Missing history
The history section ignores the fact that the first motorways (dual carriageways, freeways) built in the territory of present-day Poland were parts of the prewar German autobahns. For example, in Silesia a stretch from Chojnów (then Haynau) to Legnica (then Liegnitz), including Wrocław (then Breslau ) — which is today part of the Polish A4 — was opened before WWII. (On the German side of the present-day border this route is now numbered E40.)

There were other sections completed before the war, notably including a stretch from Elbląg (ex-Elbing) to near Kaliningrad (ex-Königsberg), which for more than 40 years was blocked by the closed Soviet-Polish border across the former East Prussia. These ex-autobahn pieces are historically significant and relevant to the history section of this article.

Sca (talk) 17:04, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

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New experimental outlook of construction progress table
I have changed the outlook of the table for expressways, if you are a viewer of this page or especially if you're one of the users who had been taking part in updating the table in the older days, please tell if you find the new version nicer, or less nice, or if you have other suggestions.

The reason for the change is I think the previous table was - in case of expressways, since there are many of them - not very readable for people who just want to get a quick overview of construction progress. And on English Wikipedia as opposed to Polish I think it's more common to look at a table like this in order to get a quick look at which highways are ready, which of the planned ones will be ready within few years, which later, and which are just indeed 'planned' but there might be a lot of time until they're done. In the current version of table one needed to spend a lot of time to really get such overview, because it was not apparent at the first sight if e.g. the 100 km "in realisation" is out of 120 remaining, or out of 200 remaining, one needed to calculate it in the head.

And it was even harder (impossible, really) to distinguish a road like S5 (which within 2 years will be completed 100% in what used-to-be S5 in the plans, but just another section was added 2 years ago, so this one is in early stage of development) from a road like S7 which has a large progress but any major section (like Gdańsk - Warsaw) will not be finished soon. And this is what most foreigners probably are more interested - that the main 2/3rds will be a 100% highway soon or that no section will be 100% highway but all in construction - than "this road is 57% constructed".

In the new arrangement, all the data is still here for those who want to know exact details up to every kilometer, there's even more data for this than before. But more importantly, I think now it is much clearer for those who don't dig deep, to just get an overview of how the state of construction really is, and which roads are really actively developed and which are only plans for some future. The price for it is that the table now has 6 more entries, but I believe the clarity wins over this slight increase in length. Please tell if you agree, or if you would prefer the old version to come back, or if you have ideas for something even better.

I have done also quite several earlier changes (I hope, less debatable), if you want to compare the table to how it was before my meddling then see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Highways_in_Poland&oldid=868874086. Cheers Kirt93 (talk) 21:58, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Distance unit conversions
Is there definitely a need to present all distances in metric and converted to Imperial, as doing so seems to me to come at the expense of lots of noise in the tables. If there were no such need, I would definitely move to remove them. 178.16.1.92 (talk) 10:04, 12 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Yeah, maybe you're right. Since changing it from convert to km is one simple RegEx, it's a minimal amount of work, so I've simply pushed the no-miles version and let's see what people think about it. If there are complaints from US guys, it'll be an equally minimal amount of work to revert to convert's, but in such case it'll actually be an informed decision. I've decided to leave converts in the main parts of "In total" since this is the row which people might want to use to get an overview of what is the actual length, so they'd prefer to have it in the system they're used to (while for the entries of separate highways themselves, I'm thinking all the users anyway just use it as if the entries contained the words "a lot", "a little" and "none" - it just would not feel very professional if I started to just use "a lot", "a little" and "none" instead of the numbers but probably usefullness of the table would actually be unchanged :D). Kirt93 (talk) 23:15, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

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