Talk:Higurashi When They Cry/Archive 2

Removal of non-notable fansite
There seems to be some disagreement as to whether http://www.geocities.com/whentheycry_higurashi83/index.html is notable or not and whether it should be included here. I am not the only one to have removed this website in the past, but I believe that it goes against WP:NOT, WP:N, WP:WEB, and WP:EL. You can try to argue this, but I believe the website will be removed again in the future, even it is not by me.--  十  八  07:28, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed, the only fansite =/= auto-add or a good site. It shouldn't be linked unless there's something of mentionable merit. -Atashi 21:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * And they could at least host their website someplace that doesn't scream crap, unlike geocities. Kyaa the Catlord 07:33, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

What the heck is your problem? Stop flaming a perfectly good fansite, just because of where it is hosted!TomitakePrincess 18:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

She's not flaming it. It's just that real resources and references shouldn't come from fan websites. Wikipedia isn't a place for fan works. Lea-chan (talk) 16:59, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Support the link!
Since editors here at Wikipedia seem ridiculously bent on deleting the link to [www.geocities.com/whentheycry_higurashi83/index.html, which is the only english site and a growing wealth of information, I'd like fellow fans and editors to voice their support here, if they have any. This is extremely unfair, and It's time we did something.TomitakePrincess 08:10, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Self-promotion is frowned upon. Please read the warning templates which have been applied to your user page. Kyaa the Catlord 08:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

You had seriously better quit it, because you're attacking me is getting on my nerves. And it has been encouraged by mods or whatever they are called to settle link/content disputes this way, which is why I made this are, so keep your threats to yourself.TomitakePrincess 08:18, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I placed a nice level 1 warning on your talk page. Based on the evidence in the history of the main page, I would have been justified in immediately going to level 3 or 4. Please, quit taking it personally and start following the rules. Your attacks on your fellow editors and your temper tantrum on the admin noticeboard aren't winning your fight.... Kyaa the Catlord 08:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Quit with your sarcasm and person attacks. Take it to IM or something if you have a problem.TomitakePrincess 06:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No personal attacks made. You got correctly banned for your actions. Kyaa the Catlord 09:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

No, I got incorrectly banned, which is why it was lifted. And your whole tone is very sarcastic and rude, not to mention you are trolling this page. Stop it.TomitakePrincess 18:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh good. The site isn't a good one... It has plenty of uncredited fan art and lyrics translations (I might force the webmistress to properly credit people). -Atashi 08:18, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I found the fansite to be very informative. It's nice to see a place where all the spoilers for the series are guarded. And you should be careful before you make such accusations about stolen material without proof.MagicalHopStep 00:45, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Congratulations. It is still not the sort of website that meets the EL criteria, for a number of reasons including the problem with copyvio. Kyaa the Catlord 00:51, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Some of the translated lyrics are copied and pasted from me without permission, either through my website or my posts on AnimeSuki (I recognized the webmistress' user name). Compare lyrics from this page with here and here. The person obviously didn't even bother to reformat the lyrics that I romanized, which I can tell, because I use a fairly distinct method of romanization ('o' vs. 'wo', uppercasing that I later scrapped on my own site). -Atashi 02:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

There is no need to be rude. It's such a shame when people go this far just to victimize a fansite.MagicalHopStep 00:46, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * We are not trying to victimize anything. People not well versed in Wikipedia's policies and guidelines just have to be aware that not everything can be posted on Wikipedia and we do have set policies and guidelines to make sure that things run consistantly. We did not write the rules, we just inforce them.--  十  八  02:24, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I've seen and heard about some of the stuff done to users here just for supporting a fansite, and that is definately victimizing. For example, I just supported this link and got insulted by that rude girl.MagicalHopStep 01:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Then that is her problem, not all of Wikipedia's. We have policys about being civil and to make no personal attacks on others; if you believe a user has been unnecessarily rude to you, blame the user themselves, not all of Wikipedia. You cannot rightfully blanket all users under a few bad experiences here because Wikipedia is far more complex than most people give it credit for.--  十  八  01:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I would, but usually, it is the Wikipedia staff who does things like this.MagicalHopStep 15:52, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You mean the administrators and sysops? That's not a problem since no one really trusts them anyway. Read a humerous essay at WP:P&S which outlines the main problem with Wikipedia.--  十  八  23:51, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

This link shouldn't really be on Wikipedia. As I've said so many times before, Wiki ISN'T a place for fan works. Get it into your head. >> Lea-chan (talk) 17:01, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

The link doesn't belong on Wikipedia. It is not an official site, nor is it sanctioned by any of the companies that put the series out in any of the countries. As such, it doesn't belong on Wikipedia. You can make whatever excuses you want, but it doesn't belong on here & you know it. If people really want to find it, they'll go through the anipike. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 07:32, 28 February 2009 (UTC)tokyogirl79
 * Honestly, did the last two commentators to this over-one-year-old-thread come here from WP:LAME? It's over (and has been over long before hand), no need to comment further.--  十  八  11:35, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the title
Just some speculation from my part, but couldn't the なく in the title also be the ren'youkei of ない (無い)? That is, "When cicadas aren't there"? I don't know if it makes any sense, since the higurashi do seem to play a rather central role in the scenery (at least in the anime) -- but then again, the actual conclusion of almost every chapter seems to play out in a place without the noise of higurashi, it might make some kind of sense. Would someone like to comment? Dolda2000 00:13, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * This text:

07th Expansion presents. Wellcome to Hinamizawa_ "WHEN THEY CRY_"


 * Is on the title screen of every game. There was a discussion about this before, I believe, and the consensus was to use "When the Cicadas Cry" in order to keep in line with the games' tagline (which is now the official USA title). Moogy   ( talk )  03:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Wait, what? I thgouth that 'When They Cry' was the title, or maybe 'When They Cry - Higurashi'... or maybe even 'When They Cry' and the full Japanese name after that.
 * The offial DVD cover for the Collector's Edition (I think): 74.116.137.2 22:44, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * 'When They Cry' is the English title of the anime and is also used in the games' tagline. 'When the Cicadas Cry' is our English translation of the Japanese title of the anime & games, which is what we are discussing. We only mentioned the tagline/English title here because it clarifies the meaning of the clause なく頃に. -Seventh Holy Scripture 22:54, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I haven't been playing this game, so I refer only to the Japanese word. "なく" is not "無く" but "鳴く" in this case. As you may know, "鳴く" mean that bird or insect vocalize. (please refer to Japanese-English dictionary, because my English skill is poor)--Swind 09:31, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Season 2's episode count
I noticed that the page notes that there will be 24 episodes and that ANN notes likewise. Is ANN the source for this? I trust ANN and all, but is there a more reliable source (like somewhere on the official page)? Thanks. --Remy Suen 11:57, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I see it's been mentioned in one of the sources. --Remy Suen 14:33, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Title
Because this is the English Wikipedia, do you think we should change the name of the article to When They Cry, When They Cry: Higurashi, or When They Cry - Higurashi, etc? -24.84.59.132 23:58, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think so, because Higurashi is more then just the anime series. -Seventh Holy Scripture 00:07, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If we were write a new article for the anime, then yes, the title would change to what the English title for the anime is, but this article is primarily for the games, which have the title Higurashi no Naku Koro ni, so there is no need to change.--  十  八  03:34, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Manga
There are six main titles in the Higurashi manga series, spanning the four "question" arcs and the first two "answer" arcs. Each of these are rather short and are to be compiled into two tankōbon for each title. There are also three side-story manga, not based on the original game series. It appears the "two tankōbon rule" is no valid anymore, since Tsumihoroboshi-hen will most likely be in 3 volumes at least. (Volume 2 has chapter 4 to 7, while chapter 8 is already released). Meakashi-hen might follow the same pattern. what do you think? should we edit slightly the description? (meh... sorry to intrude like this in this article. please warn me whenever I'm screwing around.) Klashikari 20:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It sounds like a good idea.--  十  八  01:04, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

About the corresponding Solution Arc and Question Arc
The article says Tsumihoroboshi-hen (罪滅し編, which is the Episode 22~26 of anime) is the solution to Onikakushi-hen (鬼隠し編, which is the Episode 01~04 of anime)

I have watched the anime, however I don't see any relationship between Tsumihoroboshi-hen and Onikakushi-hen, anyone mind to explain? Thankyou. 222.152.153.83 18:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The information is accurate. The connection is found in the last couple of episodes which form a parallel between what happened to Keiichi in Onikakushi, and what is now happening to Rena in Tsumihoroboshi; not to mention that Keiichi remembers the events of Onikakushi himself.--  十  八  00:16, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Title / logo picture in infobox
used to illustrate the series title/logo is too cropped. The bloody loop under ひぐらしの な く頃に text is important part of the logo. Should it be fixed? --193.211.5.90 10:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Not exactly important I believe. yes indeed, the loop has rather a "infinity" message behind it, with both a white and red side (much like a moebius loop). However, this feature is only on the anime version of the Logo. The actual ひぐらしの な く頃に doesn't have this to begin with. I believe it should be removed altogether instead. Klashikari 13:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I uploaded a new image; what do you think?--  十  八  13:43, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Broadcast delay
So I've heard that the broadcast of episodes of the second Higurashi season have been put on hold due to a recent murder in Japan. Can anyone confirm this with a source? It's probably worth mentioning, since the incident apparently affected School Days as well. Buspar 09:17, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Already mentioned in the Delay section. For a source, it was on Tokai TV website until a while ago. There's also an announcement on official website too, but without mentioning the murder case. - 29dupe 09:40, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, also related to the delay, sort of, is the removal of a bookmark and how apparently there was a SECOND ax murder of a father a few days after Episode 12 aired. --71.162.27.224 08:23, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Matsuri Kakera Asobi
No mention in the article. Anyone know what this is about? link --SeizureDog 11:32, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * It's an append disc to the PS2 game, adding mostly dull features like voice acting for Keiichi in the first 4 arcs, new TIPS and redone videos (and possibly Matsuribayashi-hen, but I haven't seen that confirmed.) -Seventh Holy Scripture 16:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * So basically it's a slighty updated re-release and not a sequel?--SeizureDog 17:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes. If you're familiar with Persona 3 FES, it's a somewhat similar deal. -Seventh Holy Scripture (talk) 02:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I finally added this shit to the article. Moogy  ( talk )  21:46, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Special episode
At the end of the last episode, there's an announcement of "special program" that will be aired on December 24. Syoboi also listed this special episode on Sun TV but not on AT-X. (Note that tvk hasn't broadcast the last episode yet.) 来週のこの時間は映画「ひぐらしのなく頃に」のスペシャル特番を放送

Next week on this broadcasting time, we'll be broadcasting special program of "Higurashi no Naku Koro ni" Should we also note this in an actual article? --29dupe (talk) 06:48, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Since what you have quoted specifically uses the word "Movie" (映画), it might actually be a preview of the live action film. I think it'd just be better to wait until it airs and see what it is then; it's only a few days away anyway.--  十  八  07:09, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

It's a Christmas special. Staff interviews and a trailer of the movie. Nothing interesting. Moogy  ( talk )  12:43, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

鬼隠し編
I noticed 鬼隠し編 has been translated as "Spirited Away by the Demon Chapter" instead of the more common "Demoning Away Chapter". Since the name is in reference to the phrase 神隠し (spirited away), with the kanji 神 (god) replaced with 鬼 (demon), is there any reason not to use the common name? 72.64.51.114 (talk) 07:06, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The first episodes of the anime are also titled 鬼隠し編, so whatever Geneon translated those as should be what we use. However, our current article on the episode list says that it's not using official titles, and I can't find a source anywhere online that tells me what they are. Anyone here buy the localized anime?--SeizureDog (talk) 23:34, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * -Seventh Holy Scripture (talk) 07:51, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Propose article name change to When They Cry
Propose change Higurashi no Naku Koro ni to redirect, change main article name to When They Cry - as Geneon has licensed the anime in North America. Edit: It appears the official translation was "When They Cry" not "When Cicadas Cry". AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 12:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Disagree with reasoning. Geneon aborted this series in mid-release. This also refers to more than just the few episodes of the show that was released in region 1, being a video game, novel and manga series as well. Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 12:51, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah forgot to quote some reasoning here please see WP:MOS-ANIME and WP:MOS-JP. If there is an Official English name (which there is) it should be used - while noting any variations, and the original Japanese. AtaruMoroboshi (talk)
 * There is no official english name for the novels, manga, visual novels, which are much more material than was released by Geneon. Continued oppose. Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 17:14, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * While WP:MOS-AM suggests we use official English titles, it never says we can use any English title. Common sense tells me that we shouldn't named an article on any work after one adaptation (even if it's the only one released in North America). So, I suggest, that instead of debating whether or not to move this article, a discussion should be started on WT:MOS-AM on exactly what "use official English titles" means and how it should be applied.--Nohansen (talk) 18:51, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Support. It is the only licensed property, and even though the release was aborted, it is still the only property in the series to have a English name. It was released as When They Cry and it is what most English reliable sources will be using. AnmaFinotera (talk) 16:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Support. If there is an official English name, it should be used. The English name doesn't have to literally cover all the installments in the series, it just has to cover the ones that were released in English. See for instance the article Neon Genesis Evangelion which is called that way even though some stuff in the series were only released in Japan, as Shin Seiki Evangelion: (sub

title). See also Battle Angel Alita even though the Japan-exclusive GUNNM: Gaiden was never released as a Battle Angel Alita product. There are a lot of examples, and not just in the manga/anime domain: the article Mega Man is called Mega Man even though dozens and dozens of games from that series have only been released in Japan as Rockman games. Megata Sanshiro (talk) 16:34, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Those counter examples do not apply, since, in each case, the most important works have been translated. I don't have strong feelings either way; but making irrelevant arguments isn't doing your side any favors. Doceirias (talk) 18:44, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose'. The article is about the visual novel, which doesn't (yet) have an "official English name". Only the anime adaptation is known as "When They Cry".--Nohansen (talk) 16:38, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The article is actually about both the visual novel and the anime. Megata Sanshiro (talk) 16:40, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * To further clarify the article encompasses other mediums as well (manga, drama cds, video games) AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 16:44, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And still, the only incarnation known as "When The Cry" is the anime's first season. To give you an "outside" example: The article on the Northern Lights (novel) is still named "Northen Lights", even after it was adapted as The Golden Compass (film).--Nohansen (talk) 16:59, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Support. If it has an English name, it should be used, whether it's been aborted or not. If it gets relincensed, then it can always be changed to that name, but until then...WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 16:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no official name for the visual novel, manga, etc.... Only the aborted effort by Geneon had any sort of name. This should be noted in the subsection on the anime, but not overrule the majority of material which remains named Higurashi etc... Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 17:14, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Adding additional comments from previous discussion. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 18:21, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Because this is the English Wikipedia, do you think we should change the name of the article to When They Cry, When They Cry: Higurashi, or When They Cry - Higurashi, etc? -24.84.59.132 23:58, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think so, because Higurashi is more then just the anime series. -Seventh Holy Scripture 00:07, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If we were write a new article for the anime, then yes, the title would change to what the English title for the anime is, but this article is primarily for the games, which have the title Higurashi no Naku Koro ni, so there is no need to change.--  十  八  03:34, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Support per the MoS. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:41, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The series is only subtitled "When they cry" because it is part of the "When they cry" series. I also agree Kyaas's reasoning, the anime is only one piece of the media. -- Psi edit (talk) 18:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose As I stated in the earlier discussion, only the first season of the anime is given the name "When They Cry", and this is by no means the primary material which are the visual novels. Since this article is about the original material and the anime, there shouldn't be a title change as the visual novels/manga/drama CDs/light novels don't go under "When They Cry", and the second and third seasons for the anime don't either to boot. So the name "Why They Cry" wouldn't even apply to all the anime seasons, another inconsistency. Not to mention that this series is more widely known as simply Higurashi than anything else. I have never seen or heard anyone refer to this series as "Why They Cry" anyway. --  十  八  21:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose - if only one medium is using "When They Cry," and an aborted medium at that, then the original Japanese name, which is more widely known than the rest, should be used. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 00:05, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Juhachi and others. We should use the most common name. Google fight may not be the best way to decide that, but "Higurashi no naku koro ni" gets 50% more google hits than "When they cry", even though the latter phrase is probably used in completely unrelated contexts, while the former certainly isn't. Bikasuishin (talk) 13:57, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose - As explained before, the franchise itself is hardly representative with the first season of the anime series. Furthermore, this change will create some trouble with Umineko, as "when they cry" is basically the brand subtitle of the *** no naku koro ni games. Klashikari (talk) 09:40, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I see the manga is being licensed. Do we know an official name of the localization? The article suggest the name may be "Higurashi - When They Cry" but I don't read that as authoritative. I think is directly pertinent to the current debate. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 14:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yen Press hasn't done an official press release, though it seems like "Higurashi - When They Cry" is what they said during NYCC 2008. Should probably wait to see what name they end up with, as I agree, it will be relevant to this conversation. AnmaFinotera (talk) 15:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

This article was moved earlier today, I moved it back standing on the responses on this page as the existing consensus for naming of the article. Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 01:06, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Though I originally proposed the article name change - I think it was premature to move the article name. As noted, the Manga has recently been licensed and information is forthcoming. For that reason - I disagree that a consensus has been reached. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 11:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Even if the manga is released in English-speaking countries as When They Cry, I believe the article should remain with the original Japanese title. Higurashi is a video game first, and anime and manga second.--Nohansen (talk) 15:40, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I also agree, but I have been thinking about creating a separate article for the manga, as it's pretty convoluted with all the different artists and stories, and I think the info needs to be updated anyway, not to mention that it's the second adaptation to get licensed in English, and right now its coverage is pretty bleak in comparison to the anime (which I might add could be better too with some cleanup of List of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni episodes). Either way, I was just thinking about it; I'd like to wait until more info about the English translation is released though. Not to mention that a separate article for the novels may be good too since we could put them into a table ala Graphic novel list (which I believe has been used for light novels already), and we could do the same for the manga (List of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni manga chapters or List of When They Cry chapters depending on the license title).--  十  八  19:30, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Update: I created List of Higurashi When They Cry chapters for the manga due to that being the name Yen Press is releasing the manga under.--  十  八  10:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose. This is not a translation, it is a rename. This is like trying to change 'A Child's Time' to 'Nymphet' as a 'translation'. It is fine to mention the rename for the new release, however the overseas releases will always be behind the original and not encapsulate all the full japanese releases. Tyciol (talk) 14:50, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * FUNimation is releasing "When they Cry" on 9/30/2008. I just saw it on their main page. This page should be moved to "When They Cry". http://funimation.com/whentheycry/ Moocowsrule (talk) 07:47, 19 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule
 * That is only the first season of the anime adaptation, and this was already discussed above why this article should not be moved since the original material are the games. If you would like to restart the discussion, start a new section please.--  十  八  22:02, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The Second season is called "Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai" not "Higurashi no Naku Koro ni". If FUNi is going with "When They Cry" than that is what Wikipedia will go by. Moocowsrule (talk) 23:48, 19 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule


 * Plus did you even go to the website? We should at least change all text relating to Higurashi no Naku Koro ni to "When They Cry". We don't have to change this to "When They Cry" I guess, but at least change the episode things... Moocowsrule (talk) 23:51, 19 October 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule


 * I suppose it's okay for the episode listing, and to reword some things in the anime section in this article and that one to note the name change, but the character/album lists don't need to change for the reasons stated above.--  十  八  01:08, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Strongly Oppose. The anime is only a small part of the whole Higurashi franchise. Besides, Yen Press named their US manga version "Higurashi- When they Cry". Does that mean that we should now call it by that instead of the original title or by the anime title? No. I suggest leaving the "When They Cry" searches as a redirect to Higurashi no Naku Koro ni. I think the majority of searchers are intelligent enough to realize that the two are the same thing. Besides, I dislike the idea of renaming everything to the US titles. It smacks of elitism in my opinion. (That everything has to be changed to match the US name rather than using the redirect options.) Tokyogirl79 (talk) 19:22, 17 January 2009 (UTC)Tokyogirl79

See Also links
Is it just me, or are the 'see also' links spoilers for the series, you dont find out about that side until much later into the series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Taellie (talk • contribs) 12:17, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Per WP:SPOILER -"It is not acceptable to delete information from an article because you think it spoils the plot. Such concerns must not interfere with neutral point of view, encyclopedic tone, completeness, or any other element of article quality" AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 14:39, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Frederica Bernkastel's poems
I think we should also upload Frederica Bernkastle's poems, they are really good and also are informative, please tell me what you think —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.12.163.254 (talk) 13:26, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps they would be more helpful at Wikiquote?--  十  八  18:43, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that this is the wrong place for poems... Moocowsrule (talk) 03:16, 20 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule

Samsara in Buddhism
Saṃsāra (Buddhism) is something I was reading, and I realized, Higurashi's endlessly repeating day with cycles of repeating suffering, escaping the tragic fate, remembering memories from a 'past life' etc, it may be somewhat of an inspiration for the concepts in Higurashi. Have the authors ever mentioned anything like this? The religion practised by the shrine seems a bit more shinto-ish however there are some kinds like Nichiren Buddhism which have incorporated shinto concepts. Tyciol (talk) 14:50, 11 September 2008 (UTC) Clevomon 11:01 EST, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Naraku no Hana, the second theme, ties in with this a little bit, I think. Naraku is the Japanese translation of Naraka. I think there's a Wikipedia article about that.

Someutsushi-hen
Hey, if there are notable differences between it and Onisarashi-hen, can someone who is familiar with them please say what they are instead of just saying they're there? Clevomon 11:01 EST, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Game article merger
I'm planning on merging the eight Higurashi games from the main series, along with Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Rei into a List of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni titles article, which would also include information on Higurashi Daybreak and the other ports like the PS2's Matsuri and DS's Kizuna. The article would be similar in structure to List of Harvest Moon titles and List of One Piece video games.--  十  八  01:57, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Plot Section
Can we have an actual plot section instead of a game list? Basically the only thing I've learned about this game's story is that I have to "Play it to find out!" That just doesn't seem very professional to me. --65.87.242.28 (talk) 18:54, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Should it be stated?
That Meakashi-hen is in a different world from Watangashi-hen? 98.14.15.12 (talk) 03:06, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Rei OVA
(I can't believe I'm doing this) As it stands, there is no mention anywhere that Higurashi Rei actually aired on television in Japan. The OVAs official website has no mention of a TV broadcast, though there was a limited web broadcast of the first OVA which was a restricted viewing for 800 people (400 computers, 400 cell phones) as evidenced here. The user PrincessMint has attempted to claim Rei aired on TV, but gives no evidence to prove it, and chooses to ignore the evidence brought in favor of this not being true. The user has attempted to use a YouTube video for evidence of a TV broadcast, but the icon visible in the bottom-right hand corner, "BC", stands for Bandai Channel, the web channel Rei was previewed on.--  十  八  05:15, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The show aired on Japanese Pay Per View television. This is on the official site.PrincessMint (talk) 06:42, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Please provide a link to source. —29th ( (☎) ) 06:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You can't link directly to the news entry. Just go to the News section of the official site and search for PPV.  That should work.PrincessMint (talk) 07:08, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can deep link to the news entry. If this is what you're talking about (the third article), then you're wrong anyway. The one airing in Sky PerfecTV is the first season, not Higurashi Rei.
 * "ＴＶアニメ第１期「ひぐらしのなく頃に」がスカパーＰＰＶ（ペイパービュー）『スカチャン』にて、期間限定で放送決定！"
 * Could be roughly translated to "The first season of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni decided to be aired in SkyperPPV (Pay Per View) "Skachan" for a limited period!" —29th ( (☎) ) 08:10, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If it wasn't aired on TV then I really wonder where those animesuki fansubs are coming from, lol. Tyciol (talk) 06:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Read the discussion. Erigu (talk) 21:30, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Air Date
Not sure if I'm missing something or what, but under extra arcs, it says that Rei aired on December 31, 2006, and that obviously can't be right, can it? 68.191.160.109 (talk) 19:34, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be the release date of the original game, not the anime adaptation.--  十  八  20:34, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Organization of the plot section
Continuing the discussion from Talk:Higurashi no Naku Koro ni/GA1: shouldn't the PS2 arcs be listed under adaptations? Shouldn't the games made by the Alchemist and Twilight Frontier be listed under Adaptations? AngelFire3423 (talk) 10:26, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Currently, the Alchemist port, and Higurashi Daybreak are listed under the Release history section. I don't think Daybreak has enough information to deserve a new section in Adaptations, and the PS2 and DS ports should stay in release history. Like I stated in the GAR, the base organization of this series was always in its arcs, from the very first game. Keeping all the arcs in one section makes the most sense to me, whereas the info in Adaptations or Release history shouldn't go into plot information; it should just cover the media released.--  十  八  10:37, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, then how about splitting off the list of arcs to another article and leaving just the ones featured in the games by 07th Expansion? Like doing something similar to anime episode lists, but with games, or something like that. AngelFire3423 (talk) 20:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * First off, there's not enough information to split, and second, I don't see how that would work even if there was enough info. Besides, plot info shouldn't be split off as Wikipedia is not a plot summary. Also, we should try to keep all the info in the same place if we can; doing unnecessary or superfluous splits would just serve to complicate things even more. I can see what you're getting at though, and if there was a better way I would want to do it, but this seems like the simplest and least-confusing way to organize it.--  十  八  21:19, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I meant more like splitting it off their list articles: List of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni titles, List Higurashi When They Cry chapters, and List of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni episodes. But I'll try to think of a better idea. Though I think it might be clearer if the manga and anime arcs were put in their respective sections under Adaptations, though I can see some problems doing it that way. AngelFire3423 (talk) 04:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

English Title
I know the visual novel isn't released in English (I don't know about the manga), but the anime is and it is likely that the average English-speaking person will know the anime's English title. Since it's not the original work, I do not know if WP:NAME applies, but I believe it may. 陣 内 Jinnai 16:04, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This has been discussed many times before; a quick look at the archives will show you some past discussions. Basically, no consensus could be reached since the visual novel is the primary work, and while the anime and manga both have official English titles, they're only a minor aspect of the overall series, not to mention they're adaptations to boot. But all of that really shouldn't apply anymore since the games are being released in English in a few months under the original title, or have you not read the article?--  十  八  18:30, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that wouldn't violate WP:NAME though either way. I hadn't read the article completely. I got a preview of the box set to review. That's how I came across the name discrepancy. 陣 内 Jinnai 04:57, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The thing is (and as I said, this has been discussed ad nauseum in the archives) the argument that the anime title is more recognizable is pretty shallow, especially considering that only the first of the three seasons were ever licensed and released in English, and production was halted halfway through too boot when Geneon tanked (though Funimation has since taken it up, but still). Now that the original VNs are being released in English, this is a moot argument.--  十  八  07:09, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd still disagree, but seeing as the visual novel is being released and it's title has been confirmed, it should be moved to Higurashi: When They Cry as it is not that far from release date. Other games like Dragon Quest VI: Realms of Reverie move before as as well. 陣 内 Jinnai 07:24, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * First of all, there's only a small news update about the license on MangaGamer's site which uses that title, and I'd like to see if that title stays when the product has actually been released, and second, I could even invoke WP:COMMONNAME myself here, arguing that the original "Higurashi no Naku Koro ni" name is far more widely known than a possible localization title of the primary media. And even though I generally dislike using it, a Google test reveals the original title gets many more hits than Higurashi: When They Cry.--  十  八  07:34, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I doubt it will change. It doesn't sound like a working title. The google hit is relatively the same. The difference of a few ten-thousand when both are over 1million. As for well known, looking at the independent English RSes, I see the title "Higurashi: When They Cry" pop up a lot. While the use of "Higurashi no Naku Koro ni" for some of the merchandise, it's much less common. Mostly forum posts and the like use the title which often continues even after the English release. That an English adaptation of it is coming out and that manga and anime adaptations use the English (the anime just uses the subtitle though), there is a lot of difference now then when that argument was made last time. Circumstances have changed dramatically. The anime has been finished and has a release date and the original work also has been licensed with a tenative release date and a title that matches the graphic novel. Finally visual novels aren't as well known in the west and even if the VN wasn't being translated it would likely also be most recognized by an average Wikipedia reader by either the anime and manga translated titles. 陣 内 Jinnai 16:44, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't care if the title sounds like it'll change or not. I will not agree with moving this article to another name unless I get definitive proof they're using that title for the release.--  十  八  02:09, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Part 2
Okay, going on my last comment, it is now confirmed that MangaGamer are indeed using Higurashi When They Cry, the same title as the manga. I would be okay with moving it to the new name.--  十  八  07:38, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Seems fine to me. We just keep the DVD episodes title as different (though probably add a redirect with the laternate names foe each), 陣 内 Jinnai 04:38, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * If you're referring to the Rei OVAs, the same would apply to the Kai anime since it too hasn't been licensed.--  十  八  08:08, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Requesting move to Higurashi When They Cry. 陣 内 Jinnai 19:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Higurashi opera
"Unofficial Higurashi “Doujin Opera” in Japan on March 13th". Quite interesting, I thought, although I don't know if 'Nerima Bunkan' is 練馬文化センター or not. --Gwern (contribs) 17:42 2 March 2010 (GMT)


 * To update, the opera was in fact performed. A long review/description: http://www.tsurupeta.info/content/higurashi-douijn-opera (Note that apparently a DVD release was planned.) One scene was on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypAimcbxuyA The official homepage seems to be http://higurashiopera.web.fc2.com/ --Gwern (contribs) 02:19 3 September 2011 (GMT)

Newtype USA reference
I hope this reference is useful. "Higurashi no Naku koro ni". Newtype USA. 6 (12) p. 12. . . I don't have time now to how it can be best used. – allen四names 05:34, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Not done. This reference could best be used here but that subsection is already well referenced. – allen四names 17:24, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Reviews
vol. 6 Mania.com video game Mania.com Otaku USA midnight arc #1 Ketherine Dacey midnight arc #1 CBB Manga vol. 11 --KrebMarkt 18:50, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The references are in Refideas above. – Allen4names 03:22, 1 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Otaku USA: Beyond Midnight Arc 2 Demon Exposing Arc

--KrebMarkt (talk) 20:10, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

--Gabriel Yuji (talk) 23:28, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * ANN: When They Cry DVD 1
 * ANN: When They Cry - Part 2
 * ANN: When They Cry DVD 2
 * ANN: When They Cry DVD 6
 * ANN: When They Cry Part 1 - Episodes 1-13
 * ANN: Higurashi: When They Cry GN 1
 * ANN: Higurashi: When They Cry GN 2
 * ANN: Higurashi: When They Cry GN 17 - Atonement 3

Best Seller
--Gabriel Yuji (talk) 23:28, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * New York Times Manga Best Seller List, October 23-29
 * New York Times Manga Best Seller List, December 11-17
 * New York Times Manga Best Seller List, April 24-30
 * New York Times Manga Best Seller List, February 21-27
 * New York Times Manga Best Seller List, September 13-19

iPhone Adaptation
Don't know if anybody knew this, but since April 29 from this year there's a Higurashi adaptation on the iPhone, so I thought it should be added in the "Platforms" subsection.

References here: http://iphone-product.matrix.jp/higurashi/index.html (in japanese) http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/higurashi-when-they-cry-jp/id366267383?mt=8 (from the app store itself)

201.214.50.26 (talk) 23:36, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Hinamizawa Syndrome
I've repeatedly tried to add discussion of this very important factor of the series. It keeps being removed despite my best efforts to properly present and cite the information I provide. Before it becomes an edit war, let us discuss the reason why this information is or is not useful to the article. I advocate this information is as relevant to the story's plot as the character descriptions and episode summaries. This information pulls together the entire plot, which is quite confusing. The reason cited for removal of this content is No Original Content NOR. I point out that this information obviously is not original content. Majicko (talk) 17:10, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I admit that citing WP:NOR originally was merely because it was unsourced, and I concede that it could be cited per the primary material of the games/anime/manga, etc. However, based on the extraneous information that goes into describing the syndrome, and the fact that it was given its own section, I don't think this was the right way to go about it per guidelines given at WP:WAF and WP:PLOTSUM. However, if it were condensed and reinserted into the story overview, or perhaps divided among the arcs, I think it would be okay.--  十  八  01:46, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I have no idea
Basically, I came here to get a better understanding of the overall series and plot after watching one of the movies. I have no idea, I'm actually more confused now than I ever was.

I get that it was a series of visual novels, and that they are divided up, and that there are multiple spinoffs. The movie section is brief to be gentle, and the actual plot is jumbled. I have Less of an understanding of the things than before I came here. 69.204.74.28 (talk) 07:37, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I suggest watching the anime, in order. You won't understand the plot until the end, but you'll enjoy it a lot more that way. 91.105.50.249 (talk) 00:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

condensing the story arcs
So I realize that the series is somewhat unusual (though not unique) with its question and answer arcs and some arcs being unique to certain media, but I'm not sure if they all need to have something mentioned about them. In addition, I believe there some ways to tighten the prose by putting more info in the lead paragraphs while removing stuff like "slight variation" - it should be mentioned early on in the plot that each arc will have some things that are similar and only those that radically depart given more description. 陣 内 Jinnai 04:15, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

OR tag
When doing some copyediting I noticed there is a lot of claims in the arc section like "seems to be", "is similar to", "is a retelling of" and comparing to another arc. While this is probably true, it does constitute original research and opinion. If you can't find info from the creators or another reliable source, it would be best to just rephrase those arcs. 陣 内 Jinnai 19:48, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Red Na
Since it says that な is red in the actual title, then shouldn't all instances of the title (in Japanese) on the page be formatted like this? (Also maybe the C in Cry, but definitely don't need to do this to the title of the page.) 209.6.120.254 (talk) 19:58, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

An oddity
Since Hinamizawa is a small town of about two thousand people, with only a single school, there are not many children around his own age

Actually, from what I know of demographics, in a town of about 2000 people you'd expect roughly 200 to be school-age children. The anime does state that there is only one school and only 15 pupils, but this is a discrepancy that's never really explained. 91.105.50.249 (talk) 01:02, 6 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I think you are making assumptions about the demographic pyramid of that rural town and also assuming no net migration, neither of which is true in rural Japanese villages. --Gwern (contribs) 02:18 3 September 2011 (GMT)


 * It's mentioned several times that they have problem keeping young people in the village, it's very understandable that no one wants to raise children there, the nearest town is 30-60 mins by bike, and there are no buses. It's also mentioned that half of the kids go to school in Okinomiya. 88.206.200.69 (talk) 01:00, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Copies of people walking around — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FCC8:B109:3700:CCE6:F2F0:A1A4:B4A (talk) 07:22, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

In several different loops it is mentioned and hinted at that there is more than one of someone. For example when Keiichi kills Satako's uncle, Teppei Houjo, his friends all claim to have seen him at the festival, yet he was clearly committing murder. Also, Teppei seems to somehow be alive afterward according to Satako. This is never really explained, except for Takano's duplicate which is explained with the found corpse not being her own. It's likely just a plot hole, but I'd like to imagine there's a canonical explination.

Spoilers
I know that wikipedia has spoilers, but I don't think there should say how end every arc, should it? --190.160.208.234 (talk) 02:17, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Original Research?
How exactly can there be original research when discussing the plots of the different arcs? I understand that tag in, say, an article about the causes of autism, but what sort of research should be sought and cited in the section on the plot of a sound novel? Can the sound novel be cited? Reinana kyuu (talk) 04:35, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

TV Drama
A Live-Action TV Drama adaptation of Higurashi has been greenlit and has recently started airing. I guess information about this could be added here, right?


 * Added, thanks.--  十  八  19:52, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

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Even after fifteen years, the article STILL does not mention the name of the original/concept creator/author/scenarist?
This should be fixed by now since it is ridiculous that we see the authors of secondary works like manga and anime, and deservingly so, and yet the main name is not mentioned anywhere. 93.185.28.17 (talk) 19:04, 27 December 2019 (UTC)