Talk:Hilary Duff/Archive 1

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!
Whoever put the NEW picture up of Hilary, thank you soooo much. The other one was really annoying! Thanks! 68.121.250.250

Picture
Can we get a solo and recent picture of Duff? 68.122.144.197 06:19, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Yup, just added a new one...i hope y'all like it.

Someone just changed it again. Anyway you can get one permantly?

k i just put it up again but i know it will be down soon. how do you keep it permanent?:) Maahem33


 * Please see WP:FU before replacing the image. We are only permitted to use freely-licensed images to depict living people.  Not copyrighted promotional images or magazine scans.  --Yamla 03:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

k, no ones likes the crap picture of hilary on there right now, the one i put up rocks, or at least its better than the one thats on there right now! so can someone help me? I totally dont understand...if someone wants me to email them the picture so they can do it permanently on the page, it would be a huge help. cuz i really dont know how to keep it permanent.


 * The image you put up was a blatant violation of WP:FU and had a false license. It was unusable.  Please refrain from commenting until you have read WP:FU as you have been asked to do several times.  Only freely-licensed images may be used to depict a living person, not a copyrighted image with missing source, a false license, and no rationale (though as it is not freely-licensed, no rationale would be sufficient).  --Yamla 03:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Just to be clear, the reason your image is being removed is because it is a blatant violation of Wikipedia policy. Emailing it to someone else won't help.  It is being removed because we cannot use it.  --Yamla 03:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

k Yamla, how can i do this? No one likes the picture right now. How do i keep the picuture permanent? What are the codes?


 * Please refrain from posting until you have read WP:FU. There are no codes which will make your image permanent as using it is blatantly against Wikipedia policy.  --Yamla 03:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

i dunno. Is there anyway you can?? Plus, someone changed it again. Who keeps doing that? 68.122.144.197 06:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Hilary Duff and Joel Madden
Hilary and Joel have spilt today!!. Can anybody write that in? PeachGal 05:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Ya...it's been there for a while now...its like where personal life is.

Oh, I must have skipped that. Well, thanks for telling me. 68.122.144.197 06:17, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I thought that they were a cute couple but I knew the would not be togther long. They're to differnt

WORLDWIDE ALBUM SALES
Hi hi. If you haven't noticed, I have updated the Metamorphosis page to include her worldwide album sales. I did it once before, but it was removed cos I didn't cite. So is it okay now? It's very accurate. Ashuduff 13:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Occupations
In the occupations, (under her picture), it says she is a model, but she isn't!

YES she is every single actor or famous actress or singer is a model because they take picutes of them and put them on magazines and stuff like that!Duhhhhhhhh--Cutie 4 life 23:45, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I meant runway model! like professional like fashion shows!

O ok umm i maybe she is she has her own clothes line Hilary Duff Stuff.--Cutie 4 life 22:42, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

She hires models

Picture
Can we get another picture of Hilary? —Preceding unsigned comment added by PeachGal (talk • contribs)
 * Any replacement picture must be free, not fair-use. This means that promotional pictures are not acceptable.  --Yamla 21:38, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Still, Hilary looks horrible in this picture! And we should have a picture with only Hilary on it!

ALl I have to say is how rude why dont you people give otheer people to be on picturs other then just celebeties!!--Cutie 4 life 23:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Gay Icon?
Somebody added "Gay Icon" to Hilary's categories. Is this actually true?
 * Apparently every celebrity is a gay icon. I don't get it, either, and the category seems kinda silly to me. Everyking 23:35, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

She is a gay icon. SHe is also and icon to people with no talent, just like her.
 * Well, she has most likely made more money in one childhood than you or I will make in a lifetime of Sundays. If the ability to do that is not a talent, what is it?

Media attention, fans of her television show and 8 year old girls who have never listened to good music in their lives.

Gay Icon Project
In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 20:28, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

So if it was true would all of her fans change their perspective on her? If so it would have been true all along you just wouldnt have known...does that make them homaphobes?♥AsocaligrLinSB

Hil's Family
Does Hilary have a cousin who's name is Kimberly? --.:Jenni:. 13:48, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I remember when User:Hilary Duff was around, the first time, before she made me delete her user page, that she had something about a cousin named Kimberly on her user page. But I don't know if that means anything. Everyking 19:49, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think she was the real Hilary Duff though. She seemed kinda... unHilaryish. She probably knew a lot about Hilary, but I don't think she WAS her. --.:Jenni:. 21:57, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

195.72.234.172 02:32, 7 May 2006 (UTC)i dont think she is, she is stupid195.72.234.172 02:32, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Avril Lavigne
Regardless of your opinion of either Hilary Duff or Avril Lavigne, I don't think it's very NPOV to say "When it [the celebrity feud] left off, Lavigne seemed to have the upper hand". I'm removing it. 62.252.192.12 20:18, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Aaron Carter references
Anyone have any good references for this, or is it just cirucular rumors?
 * Hilary Duff was furious when she found out that Aaron Carter had been dating Hilary Duff and Lindsay Lohan at the same time.

<> Who ? &iquest; ? 05:08, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Who wouldn't be upset at being two-timed? IF it said explicitly who I'd be concerned, but simply that she was upset, that's to be expected. It's no secret Aaron two-timed them both. Antares33712 20:46, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Middle name
I believe that there was a competition held on her official website. Her fans were asked to guess her middle name and through that it was announced that her middle name is actually Erhard, or so I've heard. Many of her fan sites cite her middle name as 'Erhard' as well.


 * I see that there is some talk/confusion on her middle name. As an anon posted it as "Hilary Erhard Duff", with a reference, but only for registered users. Ugh, I really dont want to have to register, however, I would like to know as well. I did however find a reference to it here, not that its very reliable.   <> Who ? &iquest; ?  30 June 2005 03:14 (UTC)
 * Wow, only US $34.85 to find out if thats her real name... Uhm. no. Hopefully can find a reliable news source. Any other references would be helpful.  Thanks.   <> Who ? &iquest; ?  30 June 2005 03:21 (UTC)
 * The Internet Movie Database lists her name as "Hilary Ann Duff" http://www.us.imdb.com/name/nm0240381/, then say sometimes credited as "Hilary Erhard Duff". If it is Erhard, where does it come from?
 * Erhard is Duff's Granmother's Maidename as said by Susan Duff in a Monst Wanted concert tour program.Kiwidude 22:29, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Erhard is a german last name and sounds quite male to germans: Erhard--213.39.151.80 22:17, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
 * "Erhard" is a German male first name (Ehr=honor; hard=tough, hard) but is also a common family name.
 * But in her biography: hilary Duff, it stattes that her middle name is Ann
 * Read WP:CITE and WP:RS to learn how you can cite this information. --Yamla 18:03, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Discography
I have removed all of the redundant data from her discogrpahy section. All of this, is and should be on the individual album pages. This is a biographical article, containg information about her life and career, all album specific data should be placed on the albums pages, as its chart ratings do not necessarily pertain to her. <> Who ? &iquest; ? 21:41, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

Vocal class and range
Hilary was classified as a soubrette, which I didn't disagree with until I realized she hit a B6? When did she do that? What song and where can I hear it? That would make her a minimum of a full mezzo-soprano, and most likely a coloratura. Antares33712 17:26, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Since when has she hit B6? Thats almost insane she pratically a teen Britney hardly a 5 octave voice contender.

I think she's a soubrette (which Britney and Ciara are ruling nowadays) and this range info is really bogus. Ashanti has range, I've heard it, but I have never heard Hilary sing anything other than as a pop soubrette. If it is bogus, sorry I helped it along. If she has that much range, she would be a coloratura Antares33712 20:49, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

I've taken away the vocal profile section because it does not cite its source(s). Under When there is a factual dispute, it says that disputed statements should be moved to the article's talk page until sources have been found for them. Anyway, here it is:


 * Vocal Type: Soubrette
 * Highest Note: C#5 (Come Clean)
 * Lowest Note: B4 (Where Did I Go Right?)
 * Vocal Range: 1.1 Octaves (B4-C#5) Extraordinary Machine 01:20, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Image change
I'll change the image. Current one is too dark and not focused well. Please choose either Image:Hilary Duff shot.jpg or Image:Hilary Duff shot2.jpg. &mdash; Stevey7788 (talk) 21:24, 20 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Why not add more pictures? 10 will be to much but 2 or 3 will be ok. DCBoy


 * The problem with adding pictures is that they must be public domain or at least, fair use. It is not easy to find such pictures.  --Yamla 00:50, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

news anchor?
In the intro paragraph, it says that she is a news anchor, and the article is in the Television Journalists category, but I didn't see anything in the article about this, and the only references to this on Google were Wikipedia mirrors... Lachatdelarue (talk) 15:11, 27 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Someone removed the news-anchor reference. I seems to have been a prank by an anon that lasted since 21:48, 26 July 2005.. Gbeeker 20:05, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Middle name
There's been some editing and reverting regarding her middle name(s). Most of the time, it says "Hilary Ann Duff", but sometimes it's "Hilary Ann Lisa Duff" or "Hilary Erhard Duff". Does anybody have a definitive source on what her actual full name is? *Dan* 02:18, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * Erhard? I guess what we need is either some kind of official source or an actual interview in which she mentions what her middle name is. Everyking 03:24, 30 August 2005 (UTC)


 * According to Susan Duff, her mother, it is Erhard. She told this in a Most Wanted Tour Program.Kiwidude 22:30, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Really? Well, someone just changed it back to Ann. But this evidence here sounds conclusive. I hate to have to take just one person's word for it, though...any possibility we could see something backing it up? Either way I would support a change based on what you say. Everyking 05:09, 11 September 2005 (UTC)


 * seems to indicate that nobody knows for sure what her middle name is. I'm thinking maybe we might be better off just listing her as Hilary Duff and note the confusion in the article.  How does that sound? --Yamla 16:18, September 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * But this is moot if Kiwidude is right. The only problem is I'd like to have a verifiable source. Everyking 22:32, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. I'm not claiming that Kiwidude cannot be right.  --Yamla 23:16, September 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * I concur, put it down as "Hilary Duff" for now. When I get the time, probably by Wednesday or Thursday, I'll get the quote from the program and possiby get a picture of the exact text.Kiwidude 23:57, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

Her middle name IS Erhard. Search for "Erhard" in this book bio (searchable online) - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0425205193/qid=1126942370/sr=1-92/ref=sr_1_92/103-1474594-6266247?v=glance&s=books


 * Yeeha!, the mystery is finally put to rest. Kiwidude 18:04, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Indeed. -User 24...something...something

I have a radical suggestion to make: maybe we could just say "Hilary Duff" in the intro, and then talk about the middle name in an "early life" section? It's a bit of a departure from the Wikipedia standard style, but with the way it is now we have people always coming along, being appalled that her middle name could be something so strange sounding, and changing it back to Ann. Everyking 06:53, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Since we have the correct info from a book bio that explicitly states her name isn't Ann, there's no reason on Earth why we should back down and remove her correct middle name to please the ignorant.Vulturell 06:59, 9 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I wasn't saying remove it, I was saying move it a little further down into the article. But perhaps it's a bad idea anyway...I'm not sure of it myself, but I figured I'd put it forward and see if anybody thought it was worthwhile. Everyking 07:06, 9 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Her middle name is Erhard,according to mom and IMDb.I think she prefers to be "Hilary Ann Duff",but it's actually "Erhard".I agree that live proof is needed.Alyssacarmillo 02:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

hilary duff on wiki??
i saw the debate on whether hilary duff was really on wikipedia as a user or whether it was a hoax. if it really was hilary can i PLEASE have ur phone number or email, because you are fit as!!!!!! what i wouldn't give for a night out with HIL. kieran of harlow

Ryan Norton T 22:17, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Dunno, but I seriously doubt it. : Anonymous &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.185.172.189 (talk • contribs) 21:43, 27 October 2005.

Where can I find this debate? Hamedog 16:28, 21 December 2005 (UTC). Also, I some schooling infomation about what schools she went to and if she is going to college/university should be upthere Hamedog 16:28, 21 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Look at User:Hilary Duff and User:Hil Duff for two of the alleged Hilarys here. *Dan T.* 16:36, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I just went on Hilary Duff's user page and it doesnt have a user page only a discusion page.--Cutie 4 life 23:53, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Hilary is on wiki because she stated this on hilaryduff.com. You need a paid account to see it though. Tcatron565


 * Post of screen shot of this! Hamedog 15:45, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
 * ...which makes it not particularly great as a reference, given that it's not reasonable to expect all curious editors wanting to verify this to pay for an account on that site. *Dan T.* 20:09, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, I'm sorry, that's all I have right now.

I know for a fact that Hilarys middle name is Ann! she has said it millions of times on talk shows, The Today show , YouTube ....Sighned______________________Air fan

Discography section removed
I have removed the discography section from the article. This is because several editors (mostly anons) are constantly altering sales and chart positions of Duff's albums and singles, and with no source to look back to, there's no way to verify these changes. So, in accordance with Cite sources, I have moved the discography section here until references have been provided. Extraordinary Machine 15:09, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Total U.S. Album Sale: 6,700,000+ In addition to her albums, Duff has also recorded songs for some soundtracks and compilations:


 * Lizzie McGuire discography
 * "I Can't Wait"
 * "Why Not"


 * A Cinderella Story soundtrack
 * "Our Lips Are Sealed" feat. Haylie Duff &mdash; June 2004; #8 AU

She has also been featured on Disneymania Vol. 1 (2002) and Vol. 2 (2004), Radio Disney Jingle Jams (2004) and Marlo Thomas & Friends: Thanks & Giving All Year Long (2004).

Extraordinary Machine 15:09, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

"The chart positions look correct to me...or at least the ones from the U.S. Billboard, by the way, would be the source. I don't understand why people like YOU are always screaming at people for putting up the correct chart positions - when YOU are the ones putting up the wrong ones! i don't know why you're in so much denial. 'So Yesterday' made #42...not any higher! 'Come Clean' made #35 - that's it! 'Wake Up' made #29. Those are the chart peaks of her song! Billboard is the official chart - not any other chart1 i don't care if all of her songs got #1 on your local radio station! You had no right to take down the discography information if it was correct!"

user" jmccoymoniz

Yeah, jmccoymoniz is right. You just can't take down the whole discography section. It's one of the more important article in the whole topic. The album and single positions are good. Santa Clause achieved gold certification, Metamorphasis 3x Platinum and Hilary Duff and Most Wanted both achieved platinum sales.


 * Great. Well, make sure you cite the changes.  I see that you have forgotten to do this to your most recent changes, so these will be reverted.  --Yamla 19:10, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * The chart positions and certifications for Duff's records can't be correct all the time if people keep altering them day to day (apparently, Hilary Duff is both platinum and two times platinum, according to this article). My removal of the section was in keeping with Wikipedia's guidelines about this sort of dispute. As Yamla said, if you know which ones are right and which ones aren't, please cite your sources (as you are requested to every time you edit a page) so that other edits have something to refer back to in the future. Thanks. Extraordinary Machine 19:13, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Discography and other changes.
Hey. Someone came in and changed lots of stuff that was inacurate. For example someone at the beginning wrote, "three number one albums in u.s", while it was only 2. And some headings were changed too and I fixed those.

In the discography section, U.S. Chart Positions for album, sales, certification, and single chart positions weren't there. I added some that I new 100% but for album sales I wasn't exactly sure, so if someone can edit those for me that would be great. All other artists have all that info. on their page so I thought we could add it to Hilary's too.

Thnx,


 * When you do, please make sure you cite the information as per WP:CITE. We have far too many uncited edits applied to this article.  --Yamla 02:02, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Her upcoming album due in fall of 2006 currently has no name and was incorrectly named on the website, I have changed it to "Unknown Title".

Weight issue
Earlier today User:Zoe reverted what looked to me like a reasonable bit of info about Hilary losing weight. I haven't heard this, and it should have a source, but if it's true it should be included. Since she reverted that, there's been repeated vandalism to the intro calling Hilary "skeletor". My theory is that if we include proper weight loss info in the article, maybe the "skeletor" vandals will see that their insults are represented (in NPOV form) and quit vandalizing. Everyking 12:06, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Ive read ona website that she wad anerexia. is that wat its called when u starve yourself?--Cutie 4 life 22:36, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Hilary Erhard Duff or Hilary Ann Duff?
It says right here that her real middle name is Ann.The wiki says it's Erhard. Witch ones true?--Princess Homestar


 * Wikipedia is accurate. Our information is clearly cited.  IMDB, unfortunately, is wrong fairly regularly.  That said, it is still a very silly middle name.  --Yamla 03:55, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess they were paying tribute to her grandma. It's also her father's mid name. Anyway, I saw Duff's birth certificate on Rootsweb.com (you need a subscription) and it is most assuredly Erhard. Vulturell 03:59, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

I always thought it was Ann but thanks for the heads up!

I thought it was Ann too. But I guess you're right. User: cl4ire 7:26. Nov. 5th, 2006

Supergirl?
On the article is says Supergirl is to be her next single, is there any official statement clarifying this? tipexcom213:25 28 December 2005 (GMT)

I do believe you are talking about Material Girl, which is believed to be the single for the soundtrack of Hilary's movie of the same name. Spyco 05:01, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

"Moderately successful"?
I was just browsing, and I noticed that in the introduction, it mentions that Duff has had a "moderately successful music career." Now, this is perhaps somewhat POV, but how can one label a music career as just "moderately successful" when that music career has yielded two number one albums, three Platinum records and two Top 40 hits? Triggy 05:41, 1 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I took a stab at it WhiteNight T 05:44, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Picture
The current picture as of January 14, 2006, is rather odd. it includes a strange girl. can we get a picture of JUST her?--Kiwidude 02:38, 15 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Why not add more pictures? 10 will be to much but 2 or 3 will be ok. DCBoy

i agree.....change the pic.....hilary looks AWFUL there!


 * I second that, make sure that picture is replaced, there is some girl in there!!


 * Me too, that pic is horrible, and there are tons out there, what about a recent concert pic? hilaryd.org has a massive amount of Hilary pics --WestJet 18:16, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Timeline merge
I've suggested merging Hilary Duff timeline into this article. I was tempted to AfD it, but despite the year-by-year breakdown of how old Ms. Duff was in any given year, it does contain potentially useful information on her career towards the end. Powers 22:15, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Merge
I dont think we should merge the two page together. The timeline is too big. Besides it's like the hurricane pages. And it will get longer too as she progresses into 2007, 08, 09, 10 ,11, 12. And there is soooooo much that still needs to be edited onto that tinmeline as well. Plus it's going to be edited a lot better when I get done with it. Tcatron565
 * I also oppose the merge. But I think the timeline will have to be much improved to justify its existence.  Reciting individual episodes, and birthdays, is a little excessive.  I think if you tell people somebody's birthday, they can deduce when they become 1,2,3,4,etc... without use telling them.  --Rob 22:26, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, this whole discussion will be moved to the timeline's page. Tcatron565

Harvard?
I have doubts about adding Duff to Category:Harvard alumni, as I don't think the online program she took really qualifies. But, the category doesn't really have a definition for alums. So, I'm trying to start a discussion at Category talk:Harvard alumni over what the criteria should be. As for this article, at a minimum, we should mention Harvard in the body of the article, if the category is going to be used. Generally, a category shouldn't say something the article body doesn't. --Rob 00:19, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

RIAA Searchable Database
I have noticed that people are lying about the RIAAs. I have tooken the liberty of how to use it. Tcatron565 talk Fun Page
 * 1) go to the searchable database
 * 2) in the artist box, type Hilary Duff
 * 3) click search at the bottom of the page
 * 4) a new page will ull up and it will show all of duff's certifications

Chart Positions
All the countries need to be there. If you don't like it change it. Let everyone be dumb about Duff's position. At least I will know them! Tcatron565 3:47pm c 2/08/06


 * No, the chart positions for every country do not need to be included here, given that "here" is an encylopedia article and not a Hilary Duff fan wiki. WP:NOT an indiscriminate collection of information. "If you don't like it change it" - well, that's what I did, but I've been reverted by you. Extraordinary Machine 22:00, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Lindsay Lohan
Is the new paragraph on Duff and Lohan's kissing session in a restaurant baloney, or did all the mainstream gossip mags manage to pass this one over? Powers 20:54, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

that is just foolish gossip! don't listen to it!

Lip Syncing At Mtv New Year's Bash 2004
Should I upload the video? Cho Chang 16:45, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

It's false. Don't waste your time.

Album Sales
I have seen that album sales on Duff's discography, but when I click on any of the links that prove it, I see nothing about Duff's album sales. Just chart posistions. I can also prove the sales for Hilary Duff is worng. It's not 2.0 million because, then on the RIAA Searchable database it sould say 2x platinum. But it only says platinum, which means the sales is under 2.0 million. Unless you guys are rounding, then it's wrong. Tcatron565

FLY RELEASED IN THE UK, HITS TOP 20
Since adding correct information to the website is considered vandalism to Yamla, but I won't even go that way...

Can someone please add the information about FLY hitting top 20 in the UK this week? See, I'm not making this up, you can go to: http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp/top40/ and SEE FOR YOURSELF!

God, why do people that aren't even fans keep on "moderating" this page? and when I mean "moderating" I actually mean ruining it by not putting the right info! if it was up for Yamla there would be no news what so ever... and by the way, if you care so much about Hilary's articly, check out her "Fly" single article it's filled with WRONG information... and I mean REALLY filled with wrong info... --unsigned comments from 200.150.78.83


 * Great! Now that you've finally come up with a citation (as you had been asked to do three times already), please feel free to modify the article to reflect this position.  Just don't forget to cite it on the main page.  As to the information about the Fly article, I encourage you to correct it, again with proper citations.  --Yamla 02:40, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Ecuador
Is it necessary to mention how her album and singles did in Ecuador? I don't think this wiki page should talk about how her album does in individual countries around the world. ejk254 17:55, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


 * -I don't think so... Alex43223 23:51, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Well it is quite common to mention how albums do in individual countries in wiki pages. This article mentions how her album did in the US, UK, Australia and NZ (possibly others but I just looked briefly). Someone seems to have remove the Ecuador bit however. If he album didn't do particularly well in Ecuador and given that Ecuador is not an English native country or a country that we would expect to be interested in Hillary Duff albums, then I would agree, it isn't necessary. However, if it did well, then IMHO, it just as relevant as info on how her album did in the US, UK, Australia or NZ... Nil Einne 14:34, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Spoken Article
I was considering doing a spoken version of this article for WikiProject:Spoken Wikipedia. Any input/comments? Alex43223 23:53, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

OT but...
Don't want to distract the talk page too much from it's purpose but I wonder how desperate the tabloids and women's mags must be for Hillary to get pregnant. We all know what the headlines are going to be... Nil Einne 14:38, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't they want her to get married first? She's not a slut like the "do that to me one more time" girl. --Uncle Ed 22:54, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup tag
Header in desperate need of work, as are other parts of article ("Material Girls" section is cut-off mid sentence). Mad Jack O&#39;Lantern 20:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Middle name
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilary_Duff#Early_life_and_career contains the footnote about Erhard. I see no reason why this needs to be on the second word in the article. It's normal to have a middle name which fans haven't heard about. If readers are interested, they'll find out in the next section. --Uncle Ed 22:51, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The problem is that her middle name is frequently changed. With the reference right there, such changes are nothing other than deliberate vandalism.  With no citation offered there, people may legitimately change the middle name to Anne because they are mistaken.  It's already happening a lot, I'd hate to see even more vandalism hit this article.  --Yamla 22:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with Yamla. Although Erhard is quickly entering into the public eye (the IMDB's changed it now, too), we still need the citation because it's still an issue. There's no problem with putting a citation right near a name in the header, it's done in Lindsay Lohan and Jesse McCartney. Mad Jack O&#39;Lantern 23:16, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Cleaned up
I cleaned up the page... per my own clean up order. Sourced certain sections. Also something that needs to be sourced: Mad Jack O&#39;Lantern 14:56, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * "Duff also has German ancestry on the part of her maternal grandmother, Amy Beulah Schlemmer."
 * I also find it funny that no one has removed something about Duff having a best friend called "Susmita Shenoi", no doubt submitted by Shenoi.
 * Also, the references should probably be cleaned up and put in line.


 * Someone must have heard that Hilary died on April 22, so they added her death date on this page, but then it got removed. So, maybe they were remembering wrong?  Gm1121983 00:57, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

No. Actually, Hilary did die. She was in deep doo doo, so I told Richard to kill her. Do you remember Richard, who used to drive bus 14 from the Wilson School District? He killed himself later. &mdash;This is my life Mr. Conrad 12:10, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I know Jerry had mentioned him. He said that Richard killed his wife and then himself.  Now, if Hilary was really dead, wouldn't this page state that? Gm1121983 20:42, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, Cedric was right to revert my edit, but Hilary did die. We just don't know her death date. Someone had mentioned that Hilary Duff's Corpse is her trophy. Mr. Conrad 12:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Jenna Jameson resemblance
Up for discussion, there's a growing consensus that Hillary Duff resembles a younger Jenna Jameson, a famous pornstar.

--ConradKilroy 07:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * 'Raise your voice(2005)' a film review by Christy Lemire a film critic of the Associated Press.
 * Bulletin board discussion

Charts
It says to only put sdongs on if they chart. Little Voice charted! Why isn't it on here. Little Voice was released to thye whole world too! I heard it on the U.S. radio a few days after May of 2004 started. Tcatron565 00:23, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Whats the deal?
Hey there, this article has quite a bit of Tabloid news and gossip information. This is an encyclopedia not a gossip page. Can you cut down on all the media rubbish please if you don't mind and thanks. 70.53.110.23 22:06, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you cite some examples? The majority of such information is sourced to reliable sources, to that's a good start. Mad Jack 22:28, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Picture
Does anyone know how to increase the picture's size? It's too small Mad Jack 22:30, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it's also not usable due to pending COPY status. Let's use the old one or a new one. Yanksox (talk) 15:14, 16 June 2006 so may be some day you should see her(UTC)

"Virginity"
I am not sure if this is an appropriate topic, but there's been media comment on this and Duff has commented on it. - would the fact that Duff has declared that she is "Saving herself for marriage" be notable? I'm sure it was mentioned on Britney Spears and Jessica Simpson's pages, but I dunno. I'm putting it here so people can comment on whether or not it should be included. Mad Jack 06:08, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it is relevant. Virtually no such people ever actually follow through on their claims but it is interesting to see these claims made from a societal point of view.  --Yamla 15:04, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I added it Mad Jack 16:42, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't buy it. I think she'll do anything she can to lose her image of Lizzie McGuire. But let's face it, she'll always be known as Lizzie McGuire.

Current Picture
I really doubt the current picture actually fits within the GFDL. The uploader had been blocked for image issues and suddenly states that s/he is the creator of that photo. I realize that this is boderline bad faith, however, I think it is a legit concern. Yanksox (talk) 13:10, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, regardless, her appearance has changed significantly since the picture was taken, so the picture needs to be replaced. --Ortzinator 23:36, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

dead link
Footnote #4 is dead; Someone should fix it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.110.211.49 (talk • contribs).
 * Link fixed. Thanks! Yank  sox  11:40, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Failed GA
Problems -


 * Lack of fair use rationales.
 * Lack of references in sections, awful formatting overall, please choose a uniform style.

The article just feels in parts very POVish, whether its because of what Duff is commented on saying or otherwise, the areas about her personal seem more harassing than neutral, and this throws the entire article off. The article needs a copyedit, the grammar is dodgy, there are several places where there should be commas, but aren't.

Please improve, H ig hway Return to Oz... 16:38, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Old Picture?
Was the old picture deleted? Did I miss something? Yank sox  02:33, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The previous picture (one at the bowling event) was flagged as having "questionable licensing". I found one picture of Hilary Duff that originated from the US Military, which is public domain according to the Copyright Law and fully compatible with the policy of Wikipedia.  Therefore I have resized it and replaced it on the page. --Rgl168 03:57, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually the picture from the US military was the picture I was refering to. I was curious, it appeared that it was deleted...I could be going crazy... Yank  sox  16:47, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well it appears that someone has replaced the picture (mw2.jpg); the picture claims that it can be used for "any purposes", but personally I have my doubts as it appears to be a promo picture and likely copyrighted by the record company. --142.240.200.10 13:46, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's a product of the US gov't, anyone can use it. Yank  sox  04:00, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Santa Claus Lane and non-U.S. singles in discography section
I don't understand why Santa Claus Lane and the non-U.S. singles keep being removed. Not only will this confuse the reader after they've read the rest of the article, but it introduces POV issues. Extraordinary Machine 23:15, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Merging from Hilary Duff's fourth studio album
Articles for deletion/Hilary Duff's fourth studio album resulted in "no consensus", though I still think a merge would be a good idea because the article is very short at the moment and the title hasn't been announced. Thoughts? Extraordinary Machine 11:52, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Not a bad idea considering there is no name yet... RN 11:55, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I think we should not link it. Just leave it as Hilary Duff's fourth studio album, rather than link it to Hilary Duff. Ashuduff 13:09, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Political Party Affiliation
The claim that Hilary is a Republican is unsourced, and definitely POV. I tried to remove that line from the article, but it's not showing up when I open the editing window for the Personal Life section. Dukie010 23:54, 04 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I can find no evidence that this claim is in the article. Where are you seeing it?  --Yamla 04:59, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It's gone now for some reason. Dukie010 05:48, 5 September 2006 (UTC)Dukie010

OUTWARD BLONDE REMOVED
Why was Outward Blonde removed from the fimography I mean its still happening, even though Hilary isn't even a blonde...? User:Jtervin

Its cancelled

yuck!!!!!!!!!
I do realy like wikipedia, to be hounest it is the best website around, but in this one article about Hillary Duff, I felt that I had been let down. In the report, it was favouring Hillary as both an actor and singer, but in my opinion, she shouldn't be favoured for either. I am saying that, you are just telling the people (especially Hillary)what they wanted to hear. My last four words to this link is, "GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER"!

Love angry reader.

Livewire legend 00:47, 14 October 2006 (UTC) Is there anyone who can get the right info about Hilary's birth? I was doing a random search, and her ealry biography states that she was born the 37th child of a porn shop owner in Kazakhastan. I am quite sure this info is incorrect.

We have no right to question what Duff herself has mentioned. Ashu just worked hard. xD 11:18, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

WE NEED A NEW PICTURE
People get a new picture that one is old and terrible


 * Any acceptable picture has to be free, not a copyrighted promotional image. --Yamla 00:28, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Hilary Duff (album) at peer review
I've listed the Hilary Duff (album) article at peer review and would appreciate any feedback. See Peer review/Hilary Duff (album)/archive1. Thanks. Extraordinary Machine 03:26, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Exact birthtime
I'm a little doubtful about the birthtime that they have for Hilary, I mean it says that "Her mother went into labor at 10:30pm on September 27th and she was born at 1:10 am on September 28th". How do we really know. Quasyboy 16:01 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Murder Plans
"Hilary Duff was saved yesterday (05.11.06) from an alleged stalker who had planned to kill her.

The 'Cheaper by the Dozen' actress took out a restraining order against Maksim Miakovsky last month and the 18-year-old Russian immigrant was arrested on Friday (03.11.06) after he revealed he planned to kill the teen star at a public event she was due to attend.

It has been revealed that on Friday a private investigator from Sunset Protective Services contacted Miakovsky at the Residence Inn motel and Miakovsky stated his intention of killing Duff on Sunday (05.11.06).

Miakovsky was arrested at the motel and is currently being held on $200,000 bail at the Manhattan Beach jail after being charged with making criminal threats and stalking.

Duff, 19, and her boyfriend, Joel Madden, took out the restraining order because they feared Miakovsky planned to kill them.

Legal papers filed by Duff alleged that Miakovsky had "stated his intention of 'removing' his 'enemies' (i.e. those who prevent him from being with Duff), stated his intention of purchasing a weapon and threatened to kill himself and to engage in dramatic actions to get her attention."

Duff also alleges in legal documents that Miakovsky came to the US "for the sole purpose of meeting and becoming romantically involved with Ms. Duff".

Can I include that in?


 * Its already included in article. Quasyboy 12:11, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Joel Madden and Hilary Duff Call It Quits
http://www.aolmusicnewsblog.com/2006/11/27/joel-madden-and-hilary-duff-call-it-quits

Bad dog?
I've seen on E! that her dog lola bit hilary because she kept him in her bag alot of times.Should anyone add this?-Kingdomheartsora

I don't think so. OMG. BUT SO CUTE. haha. Ashu just worked hard. xD 11:18, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad! I think it should be included in the article. Maybe under the topic 'Animal Cruetly'.

Lol...I wouldn't go that far.Besides half of what E! says is false.-Kingdomheartsora

DOES ANYONE LIKE THE NEW PIC?
Hey!

I (finally) changed the ugly picture to a new one (the one with the orange shirt)...does anyone like it?

If you guys don't...do you have any suggestions for pictures? like from other photoshoots you can recall?

Thanks :) - MAAHEM33

oh and i hope you guys like the With Love... Hilary Duff page...i added all the info and pictures (except one) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Maahem33 (talk • contribs) 03:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC).


 * -I definitely like it, but it pic won't be up long if it's Fair Use. Trust me, I've tried it many times, and since there are (somewhere) free images, and Wikipedia doesn't want to be sued, I expect it'll be deleted soon. Also, since the previous image was FU, so it could be put back. Alex43223Talk 05:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It was a really nice pic but the one before it, wasn't really bad either. Quasyboy 17:19, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

So what should be do? I am totally new to wikipedia...so im not very good at this stuff...i'll try again...i mean, that other picture with hilary and that kid isnt bad but i hate how its a little dark and that there is another girl there...Maahem33

URGGGGGGGGGGGG, IT WAS TAKEN OFF AGAIN! damnit! if someone wants me to email them the picture then they can do it permanently on the page, it would be a huge help. anyone?!

OMG i give up!
k i am new to this wikipeida stuff and i have no clue about the copyright crap. and this person keeps emailing me saying its not right and that the pictures i keep putting up will be deleted. So does anyone know how to keep the pictures up?!! without them being deleted? Cuz now all the picures on the With Love... Hilary Duffpage will be deleted and it was finally starting to look good! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Maahem33 (talk • contribs) 03:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC).


 * I will not ask you again. Read WP:FU.  --Yamla 03:41, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Where is the With Love page?
Someone deleted the With Love... Hilary Duff page!!! Urg, it looked sooo good. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Maahem33 (talk • contribs) 03:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

Chart deletion
In case anyone is wondering, I deleted the chart info because it's on the discography page anyway. There's no need for all that info to be on Hilary Duff. If anyone wants to add a bit more info, like main chart positions, go ahead. I just did it this way because it was the simplest for me. Go to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians/Article guidelines for different ways of doing it. SKS2K6 07:11, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Nutcracker
Hi.

The name of the Nutcracker ballet is The Nutcracker, not The Nutcracker Suite.

Can someone who is authorized please change that? Thank you.

Shideg 14:49, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Beat of My Heart Released in UK/New Picture
Wasn't it released in the UK because the references are even from reviews of the song from the UK. I keep on putting the date it was released and people tell me it's wrong. The single was fricken released on iTunes. How much more proff do you need! Also I put a new pic of Hilary up because the other one was old and horrible!

Deano91 02:29, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

THAT NEW PICTURE SUCKS
ok that picture of hilary in the Strut magazine sucks... but i guess it will be gone in a while soon —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.144.202.164 (talk) 17:55, 23 December 2006 (UTC).

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