Talk:Hilary Duff/Archive 6

Redirection
I'm being sent here from [Barely Legal (TV series)].(: It doesn't make any sense? Is she even on that TV show? It is not listed under her discography and she is clearly not a TV show. Can someone explain/fix this?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.88.253.204 (talk) 23:47, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, back in 2009 (I believe) she signed a television show development deal with NBC to star in a show called Barely Legal, but I guess the deal ended and the show never happened. ℥nding · start 04:19, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

shouldnt this be taken off then?--Elmille3 (talk) 05:38, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:RFD is the correct venue. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  04:14, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Edit request from Melodymurphy, 10 June 2011
Please add under Philanthropy:

Hilary Duff has been a supporter of “Blessings in a Backpack” (www.blessingsinabackpack.org) since its inception in 2005. In addition to being the sole supporter of a large program in Los Angeles, Hilary represents “Blessings in a Backpack” across the world to spread awareness about this growing concern and how important it is to help support these children, who are our future.

Melodymurphy (talk) 13:54, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * ❌. We don't editorialize on Wikipedia. See also: WP:NPOV, WP:RS. Feezo (send a signal | watch the sky) 17:13, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

answered= why not? if it is part of what she believes and is involved with why cant it be on her page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elmille3 (talk • contribs) 05:35, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

All Compilation albums Must be posted on the Discography section
All Artist pages must have the Compilation albums posted on their Discography section. Removing this information is vandalism. Please do not remove it again. Thank you JamesAlan1986 (talk-Contributes) 05:36, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Incorrect in both cases. ℥nding · start 02:06, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

filmography section
Why in Duff's filmography section, does it show TV peformances/interviews? ie; Jingle Bell Rock, Disney 411 etc. How does an interview qualify as a guest starring role or a TV series? Also the same user Ending-start keeps changing and re-verting (note: not only my edits) without consensus, again peformances and interviews segments should not be included in a filmography Ifiwere (talk) 19:37, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Express Yourself was a short series, which I think should be removed. Along with Diary. But Island Birthday Bash was a one-off sort of documentary thing, same as Jingleball Rock. Not sure about Disney 411, it seems like it should be included. As for the films, The Chase is a series of shorts, and they go in quotation marks, while Stay Cool received an OFFICIAL release in 2010, but premiered in 2009. One showcase of the film in 2009 does NOT warrant an official release. ℥nding · start 02:05, 4 July 2011 (UTC)


 * well Disney 411 wasn't a tv show, it was were they interviewed disney stars, so it should be removed. Ok "The Chase" should be in italic why wouldn't it be regular every film is diffent, so does that mean tv movies should be in a diffrent formatt? No. Stay Cool is an idependent film, SOME independent films never get distrubiation worldwide, Stay Cool primered in 2009, AND THEN it was screened (showed) in tribecca, (ie: this years festival was troughout April 20- May 1, 2011) so Stay Cool didn't premierd is was screened/showed more than a week, some independent film (LIKE BLOODWORTH) are release for less time! Stay Cool was release in theaters (TRIBECA'S) then later on dvd, so its not a direct-to-dvd film when it was also SCRRENED ON THEATHEARS in Cannes, i think it's to be debbated if they film is a 2009 film or a 2010 film. Ifiwere (talk) 18:19, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Discography section
I have tried to revert this to show the compilation albums because I've seen it included on many artist pages, Hilary Duff maybe an actress but she's a singer as well and I can show pages that have the compilation albums included on it. LeAnn Rimes, Reba McEntire, Brooks & Dunn, Kenny Chesney, Martina McBride, all these wikipedia pages have them why shouldn't this one? JamesAlan1986 (talk-Contributes) 05:34, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I want to add this as well it is posted under notability:
 * "In general, if the musician or ensemble is notable, and if the album in question has been mentioned in multiple reliable sources, then their officially released albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia. Unreleased material (including demos, mixtapes, bootlegs, promo-only recordings) are in general not notable; however, they may be notable if they have significant independent coverage in reliable sources. Album articles with little more than a track listing may be more appropriately merged into the artist's main article or discography article, space permitting."

Going by this it should be on there and there is space to put it on so there is no reason for this not to be included on there. JamesAlan1986 (talk-Contributes) 05:39, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Entrepreneurship
i couldnt help but wonder why there isnt any mention of any of the products she has endorsed/done commercials for, it could all go into one paragraph under Entrepreneurship, my version of the paragraph would be something like this:

Duff has participated in many endorsement deals including a VISA prepaid credit card for children aged six to thirteen. She has also filmed commercials for Ice Breakers with her sister Haylie Duff, filmed numerous commercials for Kohl's Candies, appeared in a commercial for the Oxygen Network as well as two commercials for Disney Japan's Disney Mobile. She has also participated in a marketing campaign for the Hasbro personal video player VideoNow.

i think it should be added to her article as this is useful information, i don't think it is irrelevant as these are big brands she appeared with, also on other celebrities pages it includes endorsements and commercials they have appeared in - PS this paragraph has all those links needed to verify the content if you look back in the archives a few pages - it just wouldnt let me copy and paste them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.100.24.10 (talk) 19:19, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 124.170.50.254, 3 August 2011
hilary duff has been slated day that there is a new ablum in the works and will be released 2011-2012

124.170.50.254 (talk) 06:08, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jnorton7558 (talk) 06:17, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Rjkhan, 15 August 2011
However on 15 Aug 2011,Rjkhan (talk) Hilary Duff going to be mom ... The News Tribe

Rjkhan (talk) 09:02, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Please be more specific about what you want to be changed and provide a reliable source to verify it. Topher385 (talk) 11:22, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Shanarae1, 15 August 2012
Hilary's picture is very outdated. Though this one is not much newer it is very similar to how she looks now in 2012. I think it reflects that she looks more like an adult now, while in her current picture she looks like a teenager. This is my own photo I uploaded so there are obviously no copyright issues. Please use it to update her photo.



Shanarae1 (talk) 14:01, 15 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I've resized the picture. FloBo   A boat that can float!   (watch me float!)  06:31, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * ❌ The suggested picture is only one year newer, and it is kinda blurry. -- Dianna (talk) 21:56, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Recent edits
I'm not fairly happy with the recent edits by Status. I like the idea of basically writing a biography all in one section, but I feel this article needs to be broken into those separate sections. Stephenjamesx (talk) 21:23, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm currently working on rewriting the entire article, so it's a mess atm. There is A LOT of unsourced information, and a lot of sections needing expansion.  status ϟ talk 19:34, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

New Hilary Duff Page Format
I think that Duff's Page is too distracting and confusing, i think because she primary's an actress, and has a singing career, is an author and many buisness ventures that her page should be formatted diffrently, for example:

"Bio Paragraph"

1 Early life 2 Acting Career __ 2.1 2001-03: Television, ...... __ 2.2 2004-06: Movie Career, ...... __ 2.3 2007-present: Independent films,

3 Other Work __ 3.1 Music Career __ 3.2 Young adult novels __ 3.3 Entrepreneurship

4 Philanthropy 5 Personal life and image

6 Filmography 7 Discography

8 See also 9 References 10 External links

Ifiwere (talk) 23:21, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Well the proposed structure seems good enough and i remember that her acting and singing career used to be stated in separate sections...However during various Peer reviews and FA nominations (u can check the talk page archives), it was suggested that her acting and singing career be merged into a chronological order which i personally dont approve of...I have edited this article a lot and was pursuing it for FA status. However, my busy schedule in real life has prevented me to reinvent and cleanup this article. If you can do this it would be great...However, I would like to know what other editors think of the proposed structure..Gprince007 (talk) 00:43, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Nothing makes sense on this page
Hilary Duff's page is completely messed up. If you read all this stuff it makes it sound wrong. First off if we go by what I've been told, Most Wanted should be quoted as a compilation album instead of her third album. This page is really messed up that's all I can say. The chronology on all the album pages don't do as normal artist pages do. Nothing is correct on this page at all and it's a real disappointment. I think a Wikiproject should be started for Duff. JamesAlan1986 (talk-contribs) 17:58, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

this page needs attention
seriously whoever wrote that in the second lead about her being one of the best selling artists of all time, well shes not really is she lets be honest, the whole article needs a re-write in my opinion, what a dissapointment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.39.23.69 (talk) 22:28, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd like to know where the lead says that. It says "Billboard ranked her the 69th best selling artist of the 2000s" which is true, and it is sourced in the article. — Status  &#x7B;talkcontribs  02:08, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That phrase was added . I'm not finding the source in the article, nor do I see it on the (current) discography page. The Artist chart here only goes to 20. So where did it come from? Gimmetoo (talk) 04:52, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

New Page
my propose page: User:Ifiwere/Sandbox please let me know if any changes SHOULD be made, before the edit. Thank You!... ifiwere...  If(i)Were 04:49, 30 September 2011 (UTC)


 * SUPPORT Looks great! You should definitely change it ASAP IMO!  TRLIJC19   (  talk  ) 21:26, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * If you can't say what's different, then don't replace the existing page. Gimmetoo (talk) 21:52, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * it's more clearer than the exsisting one 174.254.34.74 (talk) 23:02, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * If nobody can say what specifically is different, then it can't be discussed. Gimmetoo (talk) 23:10, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Support new outline of page. Flows much better than it does currently, and is much easier for readers to read when looking for specific topics on Duff's life and career. Gimmetoo, it's been copyedited and different information on different aspects of her life/career have their own sections. — Status  &#x7B;talkcontribs  01:25, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * SUPPORT YES YES YES YES YES. Stephenjamesx (talk) 09:48, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * (But use the new format for the filmography tables) ;) Stephenjamesx (talk) 09:50, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * SUPPORT....Looks good...Gprince007 (talk) 12:41, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

The problem with it is that you cant read the full article and get a feel for her career which at a time included her music and film career together as she worked on various musical and film projects, that is why these types of articles that have seperate sections are becoming less common, ie. both Jessica Simpson's and Lindsay Lohan's and Demi Lovato's articles were all changed to have everything in cronological order, simply titled Career, so that people can actually read it and see what they were doing at what time and how it affected their career. having it like this makes it all a bit higgeldy piggeldy and does not give the reader a good feel for that persons career. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.100.21.121 (talk) 17:06, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Second child
Apparently she has given birth to her second child, will somebody be able to change it?

Source: http://hilaryduff.com/baby-luca-2-weeks-old/2012/04/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by X303 (talk • contribs) 17:01, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

METAMORPHOSIS WASNT RELEASED IN 2002
it was 2003 so please change the intro has it wrong!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.243.18.187 (talk) 20:08, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Hilary Duff
Hilary Duff is Rochelle Pérignon's favorite singer of all time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.35.153.5 (talk) 21:08, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Changing discography
Should Santa Claus Lane (2002) be mentioned in the discography of this page? It feels odd, and it never was promoted as her debut album, just kinda a bit on the side. I also feel that the exclusion of Most Wanted (2005) is odd; it is one of her most successful albums worldwide. On Lady Gaga's page, they have adapted the discography to include Gaga's major releases. Should we do the same here? Thereby making the list as follows: Stephenjamesx (talk) 14:38, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Metamorphosis (2003)
 * Hilary Duff (2004)
 * Most Wanted (2005)
 * Dignity (2007)


 * Santa Claus Lane is her debut studio album, whether or not it was "promoted" that. Yes, I agree that Most Wanted should appear in the section. Statυs  (talk) 03:58, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Two and a Half Men
Can someone re-edit the episode title that Hilary is starring in the Two and a Half Men episode that she will be in, as "Bazinga! Thats From a TV Show" is NOT the episode she was in, she will be in the episode called "Cows, Prepare to be Tipped" as the info for the episode states: "While Jake and Alan go on a father-son bonding trip, Walden dates a 22-year old (Hilary Duff), only to be more interested in her grandmother (Marilu Henner). " — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.96.104.70 (talk) 06:21, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Intro compression
Make the intro smaller?--88.111.114.72 (talk) 19:45, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

The discography section
Earlier today, I trimmed the discography section down to Hilary Duff's studio albums to make the section consistent with other articles about musicians; this also brought the section into compliance with WikiProject_Musicians/Article_guidelines. Since then, a "TBA" has been re-inserted (since removed again by me, as "TBA" is unnecessary and speculation) as have Hilary's compliation albums. There is no need for a TBA or her compilation albums to be listed on this page; only studio albums are needed. Acalamari 15:54, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Add more to her wiki page.
Hilary's Wikipedia needs more about her artistry. Look at singers pages like Britney Spears, Miley Cyrus, Beyoncé, etc. They all have stuff on their musical style, voice, and performances. Also, Hilary should have a legacy section where you could talk about how Hilary paved the way for a lot of Disney actors turned singers and how many female artists like Miley Cyrus, Selena Gomez, Demi Lovato, and tons of other Disney/Nick girls aspire to be like her. Her main page needs her artistry added and it could be perfect. Just look at other female singers pages that I listed at the top to get an idea. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariavolt (talk • contribs) 16:59, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Television Appearance 2005
In 2005, Hilary Duff was a guest star in a Mexican Soap Opera called Rebelde about Mexican supergroup RBD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.211.188.140 (talk) 19:30, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Bias/need for sources
The introduction doesn't have a single citation, and it's full of weasel words. The article itself reads like a of promotional biography that a publisher or shill would write. Looking through the revision history, I found this version which is better (though it still lacks sources in the introduction), which led me to find this user continually adding unsourced material. They have been warned twice about doing so, but have either misunderstood or ignored the warnings, and continue to fluff the article with (frankly excessive) information that does not include references. There is also bias in the wording itself, inasmuch that it conveys a sense of admiration for Duff.


 * She has also acted in a string of independent films with notable and critically-praised roles in War, Inc. (2008), According to Greta (2009) and Bloodworth (2011).


 * After signing with Hollywood Records, Duff expanded her repertoire to include pop music, and she has released four internationally-successful studio albums.


 * Duff has sold thirteen million albums worldwide and had performed across the world on four concert tours.


 * Stuff by Hilary Duff, however, was discontinued in 2008, as Duff ceased to have full control over her own clothing line.


 * Elixir was warmly received by both critics and fans, and it soon became a New York Times bestseller.


 * The huge success of Elixir was followed up with its sequel, Devoted, published in October 2011. As she had done with Elixir, Duff promoted Devoted with a book tour, but this time, only around the United States. The final book in the series, True, was published in April 2013. The trilogy also achieved international attention as Duff worked hard on promoting it.

That's just from the introduction paragraphs, which, to reiterate, contain zero sources. The bulk of the article is better, but still sometimes biased and full of fluff material. I may poke around with it later if I have the chance, but for now, I wanted to throw a few flags up in the hopes that someone can tone things down a bit and maybe talk to the above user about their editing. I formally retired from editing years ago, so I'm certainly not the best person to do it. --184.166.113.34 (talk) 17:35, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not required that introductory paragraphs contain references (although per WP:LEAD, they can have them and determining if there should be sources in that section should be determined on a case-by-case basis). The intent of the section is that it should just summarize content in the main body of the article.
 * That said, the lead does seem excessive in length for the purpose of being an approachable overview of the subject. Also, the mention you flagged of three "critically-praised roles" do not appear to be cited as such in the body of the article, or I am overlooking it. That sentence can be worded more neutrally per NPOV to just state she had roles in independent films. The other items you flagged are adequately sourced in the body of the article, so if consensus in this case suggests a need for refs in the lead, the existing cites can just be copied up to the lead. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:57, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Fix the image!
Can we please change the image? It's huge and takes up far too much space on the page- please let us return to the previous one... :)

Miss.Indecisive (talk) 08:47, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Potential new header/intro.
Hilary Erhard Duff (born September 28, 1887) is an Americsan actress, singer-songwriter, buisness women, author, and philanthropist. Born and raised in Texas, she appeared in local theater productions and television commercials in her early childhood. In the early 2000's, Duff rose to prominence portraying the titular character in the Disney Channel television series Lizzie McGuire and it's numerous merchandise, which included the motion picture The Lizzie McGuire Movie (2003). Establishing herself as a teen idol she appeared in various featured films including Agent Cody Banks (2003), Cheaper by the Dozen (2003), A Cinderella Story (2004) and Cheaper by the Dozen 2 (2005), which are among the biggest commercial successes of her career. Duff has additionally appereared in numerous guest roles and appearances in television dramas and comedies, including the documentary Hilary Duff: This Is Now, an award-winning role on the third season of Gossip Girl, and the television film Beauty & the Briefcase (2010). In 2014, she landed a starring role in the upcoming TV Land sitcom titled Younger. Other than that, she has acted in several independent films with praised roles in War, Inc. (2008), According to Greta (2009) and Bloodworth (2010). Duff has also served as a voice actress for a number of direct-to-video animated features.

In 2002, Duff ventured into the music industry with numerous soundtrack appearances and with the release of her debut studio album, Santa Claus Lane, which featured only christmas music. After signing a recording contract with Hollywood Records, Duff released her second album Metamorphosis (2003), joining a select few in successfully converting from film to a music career. It spawned the singles "So Yesterday" and "Come Clean" and sold four million copies in the USA. Duff's following record, the self-titled album Hilary Duff (2004), was certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), despite only having one U.S. single released; "Fly". Her 2005 compilation album, Most Wanted was her first album to debut at number one, and her second album to top the Billboard 200. The album was a worldwide success and included the singles "Wake Up" and "Beat of My Heart", both were released that same year. Her fourth studio album, the dance-infused, gold certified record Dignity (2007). The record featured a more mature image and sound, It spawned her highest-charting single on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100, "With Love" and was the first of three consecutive number ones on the Hot Dance Club Play charts. Duff's transition continued with the release of "Stranger" and "Reach Out", the latter being the lead single from her first greatest hits album, Best of Hilary Duff (2008) which subsquently ended her recording contract with Hollywood Records. After taking a five-year musical hiatus to focus on her writing career and motherhood, she began working on her fifth studio album in late 2013, which is tentatively expected to be released in the fall of 2014, under RCA Records. Its lead single, "Chasing the Sun (Hilary Duff song)", was released on July 29, 2014, taking on a new folk-pop sound. To date, Duff has sold more than fifteen million albums worldwide.

Beyond entertainment, Duff enjoyed a highly successful business career. She had the successful clothing line Stuff by Hilary Duff which included clothing, furniture, make-up and jewelry items; targeted at her teen and preteen demographic. She has two fragrances with Elizabeth Arden, the limited fashion line Femme for DKNY Jeans, and various endorsements and ad campaigns. Branching into the literary industry, Duff along with the assistance of author Elise Allen, wrote the novel Elixir (2010), which became a The New York Times bestseller. The series was followed by the sequels Devoted (2011) and True (2013). She furthermore had production credits in a few films she starred in; Material Girls (2006), According to Greta and Beauty & the Briefcase. Duff has also contributed to several humanitarian causes, including Blessings in a Backpack, the Think Before You Speak Campaign, and being a youth ambassador to the children of the Bogotá. Duff's public image and personal relationships have attracted worldwide media attention. Duff's first high profile relationship was with teen pop singer Aaron Carter. She later became romantically involved with musician Joel Madden, which at the time garnered tabloid speculation due to the fact that Duff was underage at the time; a contrast to her wholesome image. In 2010 Duff married former NHL player Mike Comrie, after seven years together the couple separated in 2014. Duff gave birth to their son, Luca Cruz Comrie, in March 2012.


 * I believe the current intro is kind of bias, over packed with useless information and good use some cleaning up and new vital information. Please feel free to contributed. Do any changes have to be made? suggestions rather than edit-blocking! - Ifiwere (talk)

Excessive detail
We don't need to chronicle everything Duff says on Twitter and Instagram, especially regarding a yet unreleased album. OhNo itsJamie Talk 22:23, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I couldn't agree more. At over 90K, this article is longer for the one for Mother Teresa. I mean no disrespect to Miss Duff, but what this article has grown into is ridiculous. Anyone have any ideas for reducing the clutter or shall the clear cutting commence? --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 17:31, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I removed all of the information regarding her pets, alleged feuds and moved the parents' separation paragraph to introduce the Dignity section. DantODB (talk) 19:37, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah. But how about removing her genres and only putting Pop? From when is he making pure pop? Genres need to clarified. Older ones were better or let's say closer. Closer than directly putting Pop. Dkisnis (talk) 19:13, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Additional genres are acceptable as long as they are properly sourced. DantODB (talk) 12:19, 28 September 2014 (UTC)