Talk:Hindavi Swarajya

Interpretation of title meaning
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I see the source saying different. Can someone review? --G (talk) 09:23, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Hindavi Swarajya discussion at Talk:Shivaji
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Self-rule of Indian people
I originally wrote the literal meaning of "Hindavi Swarajya" as "self-rule of Hindu people". Somebody changed it later to "self-rule of Indian people".

On reflection, I decided that the latter is better and, so, retained it. I notice that somebody changed it back to "Hindu people". So I had to revert again.

The present day meaning of "Hindu" did not exist in Shivaji's time. "Hindu" meant Indic or native, without any particular religious significance. So, we shouldn't use present day "Hindu" to explain the meaning of anything, even the term "Hindu" itself.

Secondly, the term here is "Hindavi", which is more general than "Hindu". So, calling it "Hindu people" is definitely wrong. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:16, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Two of the sources cited say "Hindu people" and one says "Indian people". Whichever is the most common version in independent, reliable, secondary scholarly sources should be the one we use. I've restored the original version until we find that out, per WP:BRD. (NB the present-day meaning of "Indian" didn't exist in Shivaji's time, either.) Dāsānudāsa (talk) 11:12, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * No. The first source said "This might mean, Indian independence from foreign rule, rather than Hindu raj in the modern sense". That means 2/3 sources say "Indian", not "Hindu". Editorkamran (talk) 02:26, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The article already clarifies that "self-rule of Hindu people", the literal rendering of hindavī-svarājya, means people living in the Indian subcontinent, rather than religious Hindus ("meaning independence from foreign rule").
 * Here are the Google Books results for both formations:
 * "Self-rule of Hindu people"
 * "Self-rule of Indian people"
 * I count seven results (including a biography of Shivaji) for the former, and one for the latter. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 08:43, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Don't shift the goalpost now. You claimed 1/3 added sources say "Hindu", when 2/3 say "Indian". Editorkamran (talk) 12:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, two say "Hindu" and two say both. Those three sources aren't the only ones out there, or even the most appropriate ones, if more writers use the "Hindu" version rather than the "Indian" one. What is your proposal? Dāsānudāsa (talk) 15:16, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Removed section about Amir Khusrau
I removed the phase as per WP:NOR and WP:SYNTH:

” The term Hindavi (or Hindawi, as also Hindui and Hindi) has been in use since the 14th century with the meaning of "Indian". Poet Amir Khusrau listed various "Hindavi languages" in use in his time.”

Although this is sourced it is not relevant to the phase Hindavi Swarajya used by the Shivaji centuries later. We can not assume a relation unless the source says there one, which it dosent look like. SKAG123 (talk) 22:04, 5 June 2024 (UTC)