Talk:Hinduism in India/Archive 1

Purpose
I really wonder if this article shouldn't be merged with Hinduism. Almost everything one can say about Hinduism in general applies to Hinduism in India in particular. Either that, or perhaps we should limit the scope of this article to the legal/cultural position of Hinduism within the political frontiers of India since 1947. Otherwise there's just going to be nothing but reduplication. QuartierLatin1968 19:52, 24 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it should focus on what's been going since after the formation of the republic.--Dangerous-Boy 07:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Is there really a need for a separate article detailing Hinduism in India? After all, the Hinduism article covers Hindu practices in India, and the Hinduism by country article gives census information. 98.117.129.238 (talk) 20:25, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * This article really serves no purpose. All information on it can also be found in other sources, such as Hindus by district in India 98.117.129.238 (talk) 00:42, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Rewrite
Someone has to rewrite this article. People should use the discussion page for discussions. They are doing it in the main page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DIGIwarez (talk • contribs)

I agree with the anonymous inserts to a high degree but it should not be done in such a fashion. It undermines the aspect of neutrality in wikipedian articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.152.160.180 (talk • contribs)


 * I think someone has to sign with their username.--D-Boy 07:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Expand
Expand this article with regard to the various traditions of the states of India. Babub→ Talk 15:03, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Section: Census of 2001
According to me, this edit (specially reference to Crypto-Christians) doesn't adhere to WP:NPOV. The editor had added similar stuff to Christianity in India, but was reverted. Also the data presented in the tables do not tally with the official India census records. We can't even access data from the mentioned World Christian Encyclopedia (2001) by David B. Barrett, et al. as its not in public domain. I want to know what others think on this issue.--Victor D PARLE 07:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm removing the data on what Christian groups estimate India's Hindu populations to be by the stats. They are not credible. Many Hindus report themselves as Muslims and Christians to get benefits as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amitroy5 (talk • contribs) 02:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Encyclopaedia of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh
It has been discovered that this book: Contains significant amounts of material plagiarized from Wikipedia articles. (Some other books from the same publisher also have this problem). There is no practical way of determining which material came from Wikipedia, and which came from other sources. Further, widespread plagiarism is an indication of poor scholarship. For those reasons, and according to Wikipedia policy, WP:CIRCULAR, I will deleting all citations to the book. However I will not delete the material that cites it, as there's no indication that the material is inaccurate. For more background, see WP:RSN, or the archive after it goes there.  Will Beback   talk    22:24, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Gupta, Om. Encyclopaedia of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Gyan Publishing House, 2006. ISBN 8182053897, 9788182053892.

Hindus are the majority in North-East India.
The article mentions that the Hindus are not the majority in the North East of India.This is completely baseless.As a region the North East has a majority of Hindus.....they are minority in the three states of Mizoram,Nagaland and Meghalaya........however taken as a whole the Hindus are the majority in the region........including in the states of Assam,Tripura,Manipur,Arunachal Pradesh and Sikkim,all parts of the North-East of India. The definitive source of the above statement is here......http://www.krepublishers.com. I request the editors of the article to make the necessary change.Please mention that the Hindus are in a minority in Kashmir valley [the valley only,and not the state]and the Punjab state.This will ensure that the article is not categorized as POV,which in Wikipedia terms would mean bad article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skylark2008 (talk • contribs) 05:51, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Hindus also form a very large minority in Meghalaya. Many groups who are considered "Animists" are considering themselves Hindus because elements of Hinduism are found among their culture. Additionally, there seems to be a resurgence of Hinduism in the Northeast, recently. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.166.50 (talk) 12:00, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

1.1 billion?
"Hinduism is followed by about 1.1 billion people in India although unofficial estimates could be higher."

Such figure actually needs some citation. This might be worldwide population of hindus, not of India, as total population of India is 1.2 billion, 170 million is muslim, about about 31 million is christian, then also, like 9 milllion - 36 million are buddhists. So i doubt. Justicejayant (talk) 15:55, 4 October 2013 (UTC)


 * You are right. The 1.1 billion figure was probably just plucked out of thin air by a wikipedia editor. The latest "official" number is 828 million Hindus in India (from the 2001 census). The religious breakdown numbers from the 2011 census have not yet been released, but Pew estimates that there were 974 million Hindus in India as of 2010. Could you update the article with that (or, more recent reliably source estimates, if you find any)? Abecedare (talk) 16:23, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Just removed the population figures, they doesn't seem to be close to 1.1 billion anyway. This page Hinduism by country says 1,010,023,827. Which might be correct figure. I may add it once i discover the actual source. Justicejayant (talk) 16:28, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Introduction
I strongly feel that the sentence about the Marathas has no place in the intro. In a country with a history of thousands of Hindu kings and emperors, why are they being raised above all others? We can talk about them in the main article. Alternatively, every Hindu ruler of equal significance needs to be mentioned in the Intro. Vanamonde93 (talk) 03:34, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Recent removal
I just removed the sentence about Marathas in the lead, for a couple of reasons; first, there is no further mention on them in the article; second, and more importantly, a quick search shows that Rajputs, Sikhs (surprisingly, perhaps) and others have all been referred to as champions of hinduism; therefore, giving special mention to the Marathas, even if it is sourced, is undue weight. Vanamonde93 (talk) 13:11, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

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Fear mongering propaganda with poor reliability sources and opinions of BJP leaders.
Nonameonlyusername stop Fear mongering propaganda with poor reliability sources and opinions of BJP leaders. . Bluecoat91 (talk) 10:33, 11 April 2021 (UTC) Bluecoat91 The information you are talking was added previously, I just added citations for them. Nonameonlyusername (talk) 13:38, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for this observation. Achronian (talk) 16:18, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Mindless POV expansion
Over the last couple of days User:Nonameonlyusername has apparently added 67,300 bytes of text to this page. A lot of this was apparently copied from other pages, perhaps needlessly, but also a lot of newly created content was added at a high speed, without an opportunity for others to read and understand what has been added.

The first edit that caught my eye was this one, where the first sentence was entirely dubious:

When I asked the editor what is meant by the "rise and re-establishment of Hindu identity", I received a brush-off.

I also raised where the Constitution of India bans cow-slaughter, again with no answer.

There is lots more dubious content, such as this:

The "first success was gained"? "Hinduism started declining"? What kind of nonsense is this?

Frankly, I am not confident of anything written by this editor. If anybody would like to support it, please let me know. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:25, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Kautilya3 "first success was gained" was used to depict the successful conquest of Muslim ruler and for the line (Hinduism started declining) referred to decrease in demographics of Hindus.Nonameonlyusername (talk) 13:35, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Why should Wikipedia label one party as "success" and another party as "decline"? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:49, 11 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Kautilya3 Read this. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nonameonlyusername (talk • contribs)
 * Where is any mention of the Constitution of India here? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:49, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Kautilya3 The government of India, has put a ban on cow slaughter in most states of India (you can easilyfind it on the internet) and the website detail was by Ministry of Agriculture, any rule made is amended in Constitution. Nonameonlyusername (talk) 15:41, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Government of India is not the Constitution of India. You need to state precisely what the sources say and cite those sources. Please don't ask me to go look up on "the internet". This is Wikipedia. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:51, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Scope of this page
What should be the scope of this page?

India is the home of Hinduism and the pages on Hinduism and History of Hinduism already cover the subject of how Hinduism developed and evolved in India. We don't need all that rehashed here. Accordingly, my feeling on the recently added sections is as follows:
 * 1	Etymology ❌
 * 2	History ❌
 * 3	Demographics ✅
 * 3.1	Historic growth
 * 3.1.1	Hindu population by States and Territories ✅
 * 3.1.2	Hindu minority State/Union Territory in India ✅
 * 4	Society
 * 4.1	Religious organisations
 * 4.2	Education ❌
 * 4.3	Hindus development in various fields ❌
 * 5	Culture ❌
 * 5.1	Art and architecture
 * 5.2	Temples
 * 5.3	Food and cuisine
 * 6	Controversies
 * 6.1	Inter-communal tensions ✅
 * 6.2	Hindu nationalism
 * 6.3	Decreasing Hindu population
 * 7	Projections ✅
 * 7.1	Indian contribution to global Hindus
 * 7.2	Future of Hindus in India
 * 8	Hindu Rashtra ❌

I have voted against sections that duplicate the content from other pages, and I have also voted against topics that deal with "Hindus" rather than "Hinduism".

I am not sure of the "Society" section. We don't have such a thing called a "Hindu society" in India. The "society" is of all people. Religious organisations as well as sects should be definitely covered, but this can't be a list of Sangh Parivar organisations (which are not religious, but rather communal). Rather, there should be reasonable-sized sections on such things as Arya Samaj, Brahmo Samaj, Aurobindo and perhaps other notable "sects".

Rather the "Society" section should cover such things as inter-communal tentions, Hindu politics, Ayodya dispute, cow-slaughter prohibitions, and any other societal or political topics.

I can't figure out what "Decreasing Hindu population" is about. How does Hindu population decrease? If there are specific demographic concerns they should go in the Demographics section.

If anybody has other comments, please share them. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:11, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

i was just wondering why this is not being followed.

also Hindu nationalism covers Hindu rashtra already.

and culture thing are so much missing. hope someone will start better Achronian (talk) 18:02, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Swaminarayan temple image at the top of the page
Swaminarayan and its offshoot sects are followed by only a small minority of Hindu people. Is there a reason why the temple of BAPS Swaminarayan offshoot  has such a prominent place in the article? Thanks. Jonathansammy (talk) 18:03, 23 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Sock activity? I've changed the picture. Joshua Jonathan  - Let's talk!  19:18, 23 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Joshua Jonathan  regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 20:35, 23 September 2022 (UTC)