Talk:Hip (slang)

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Is there any link between the term and the anti-Semitic slur "hep"?

hip and opium
I do not think the association between hip and optium is because it was consumed on a persons hip, it was because opium is made from the hip of the poppy.

vocal percussision
i didn't add this because i'm not sure if it belongs on this page. in ska music, hep (still meaning hip) is used as a vocal percussion term commonly and is the prefix of a bands and a very well known word among those familiar with the culture of ska. is this information relevant enough to be added?

John Gruen
John Gruen's Nov. 29, 1964 article titled "The New Bohemia" in the New York Herald Tribune (later turned into a 1966 book) may have also popularized the term "hip" in relation to the new youth coming out of the beat generation who would be known as "hippies" only a year later. For some reason Michael Doyle (ISBN 0231113722) reads "hip" as "hippie", but it may just be figurative language on his part. As Doyle was reviewing Gruen's original article and not his book, I'm trying to get a hold of it to see where the error was madel Timothy Miller concurs - the book does not speak of hippies. &mdash;Viriditas | Talk 01:32, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

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Dan Burley's Harlem Jive Handbook
I do not have a copy of it, I read it on microfiche or microfilm in the New York Public Library's Schaumburg Collection, but Dan Burley's Original Handbook of Harlem Jive (New York: Jive Potentials, 1945), is a potential gold mine of information for inspiration on early use of terms such as "hep" and "hip" in the African-American community.

Burley, the son of a former slave turned Baptist minister, and a Tuskegee Institute professor who taught under Booker T. Washington, spent a good deal of his life from age 11 onwards in Chicago, where he learned jazz piano and became ensconced in the jazz scene. After graduating high school, he went to work for the black newspaper, the Chicago Defender. As an adult, he moved to New York City, continuing his journalistic career by working as an editor of the black newspaper, the Amsterdam News, among many other professions, and wrote a couple of gossip columns for the paper called "Back Door Stuff" and "Confidentially Yours." In the former, he often initiated his readers into the world of jazz lexicon, complete with translations into mainstream English.

Burley also continued to be part of the jazz scenes of Chicago and NYC. He is widely credited with creating the jazz piano technique called skiffling. It was out of the dual careers of jazz musician and journalist that he wrote this handbook of jive lingo. As I said above, I read it on either microfilm or microfiche, I can't remember which, at the Schaumburg, sometime in 1998. It's like a little dictionary, only for jive words. It may have been self-published.

If anyone can get ahold of it, it may provide some answers as far as being an already-published source of information for explaining the terms and perhaps their usage in that time period. It's non-circulating, as far as I know - you have to read it at the Schaumburg. But it's worth the read. Burley is worth knowing about. His daughter, D'Anne Burley, is still alive, and active on social media, btw. Kelelain (talk) 17:48, 5 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I was just reading over my biography of Burley in the Dictionary of Literary Biography v. 241. In it, I quote Earl Conrad, author of a 1942 biography of Harriet Tubman, who wrote the forward to Burley's jive handbook, as stating that he had occasion to critique Burley's scholarly writings on jive in the Journal of Negro Education. I am sure that I did not go so far as to look for that publication, because I was looking at Burley as a sportswriter and journalist, not a scholar, but as far as etymology of words that have their origin in jive and the jazz culture are concerned, if anyone is looking for published sources, it seems to me that getting ahold of that journal, if it still exists in some library (again, I would suggest starting with the Schaumburg), that might be a good starting point.Kelelain (talk) 18:01, 5 September 2023 (UTC)