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Culture or music?
If we think of the culture how it manifested around the music - what we see now is elements that are forgotten in many ways. I see here for example https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/nn974m/double-dutchs-forgotten-hip-hop-origins-456 that skipping was a part of this culture. And it can be seen with this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh1rgPIkWKA where those closer to the culture also have a "chant" that looks remarkably like hip-hop NOT say a rock song as we might see in other sports. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.249.23.158 (talk) 10:58, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Meaning
Relevant. Simple definition: Hip means to know, it's a form of intelligence To be hip is to be update and relevant Hop is a form of movement You can't just observe a hop, you gotta hop up and do it -KRS One lyric "Hip Hop Lives" -Inowen (nlfte) 21:27, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Culture
I don't see any discussion about black women's contribution towards things like break dancing, MCing, beatboxing/beatmaking, and graffiti.

Who were the B-girls that paved the way for other women in the breaking community? It just says what they did but does not say who they were. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theyoungog97 (talk • contribs) 00:56, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Sections omitting contributions of black women and girls
I haven't seen one contribution mention a woman or girl from hip-hop who is able to be considered one of the pioneers, even into the third paragraph on the page. I feel as though someone should mention Cindy Campbell in the beginning of the wikipedia page, because she threw the first party in relation to Hip-Hop alongside DJ Herc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Troslin (talk • contribs) 00:07, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Contributions to black women/girls.
After reading the beginning of this article, it is clear to understand that primarily black men are credited while black women are only mentioned briefly, then basically dismissed. To start, the article begins by crediting DJ Herc as the creator/originator of hip-hop. Then, throughout the rest of the article, it continues to acknowledge primarily men. To exemplify, at one moment in the article it states, "... preformence where men tried to outdo eachother in originality of their language". Here, it is clear to see the dominant recognition of men opposed to women. In addition, in the culture section, all the DJs introduced were men and all the hip hop artists were male as well - Grand Wizzard Theodore, Grand Master Flash and Jazzy Jay. Evidently, it is easy to realize that men are fundamentally accepted in hip-hop as opposed to women who tend to lack their interation as a whole. Rileypalermo (talk) 23:53, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

I agree with the statement above. Women are only mentioned in the "Marginalization of Women" section and in a brief paragraph at the end of the 1980's section. First, I think the paragraph in the "1980's" section that starts with, "Women artists have also been at the forefront of the hip hop movement since its inception in the Bronx" should be moved to a different space such as in the beginning of the article or the "Marginalization of Women" section. Secondly, I think DJ Kool Herc's sister should be named and credited in the "1970's" section. Thirdly, I think women rappers' substantial achievements should be mentioned throughout the article along side the men during their time period, rather than as an afterthought in the "Legacy" section. Bekthewreck (talk) 01:22, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Hip-Hop really is a dream...
Martin Luther King Jr's "I Have A Dream" speech is shown in hip hop because of its ability to include people of any culture and break social grounds within its music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ogedukuye (talk • contribs) 16:13, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

How do these sections include or omit the contributions of black women and girls?
After reading through the sections I noticed that one of the female pioneers of Hip Hop, Sylvia Robinson was not mentioned. She was the first lady of the Hip Hop label Sugar Hill Records and I think that she is an important part of the Hip Hop culture we know today and she should be recognized for her contribution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leeliz11 (talk • contribs) 16:18, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Marginalization of Latinas
I think a source needs to be added to this information, or an example of the specific example provided. I think it could also include some more recent examples of Latinx women being stereotyped and marginalized. MorganE1 (talk) 14:50, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Suggestion
This article omits the contuributions of black women in hip hop. It discusses DJ Kool Here but never talks about his sister Cindy Campbell who started it with her brother at her birthday party. I think the article needs to talk about Cindy Campbell more and her role and the role of other black women. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trackstar1997 (talk • contribs) 16:33, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

This article titles a section "Marginalization of Women", instead of creating a regular title for the section praising the women of Hip Hop. Even the title of the section is degrading and pitiful. I think it needs a more and regular section title like the rest of them that are praising men. ( jam ~ 2/21 )

I notice that there is a mention of white pop artists who have delved into Hip Hop and were accused of cultural appropriation. I think it's important to include why they've been accused of cultural appropriation as well as including ignorant remarks they've made about Hip Hop seeing as they've made careers and profit from the Hip Hop and Rap genre. MorganE1 (talk) 14:56, 25 February 2019 (UTC)