Talk:Hip hop (culture)/Archive 6

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Capital H
It's spelled Hip Hop (We (Hip Hoppers) have been capitalizing the two words for years), this probably has something to do with the fact that they aren't just a couple of words they have a certain meaning (Hip = modern/relevant and Hop = movement) and placing the same emphasis on both words. Making it "Hip hop" would place more emphasis on relevance (modernness) and less on the movement itself so I'm pro capitalized "H"s. if you wanna suck a DONG!

Beatboxing?
Now however important beatboxing is to hip hop, why is it one of the "pillars?" There are only 4 pillars, djing, mcing, breakdancing and graffiti. Its ridiculous that beatboxing is included in the list, especially with no citations, i think it really should be deleted.

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You Can't Sit Down
I noticed that this song has the lyrics "hip hop", could this be the first use of the term? http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/the_dovells/you_cant_sit_down.html User:B137 (talk)

Edits for Class Project
We are a group of undergraduates from the University of Washington who have been challenged with the task of making substantial edits to the Hip-Hop Culture wiki page. As such we will be submitting our edits on the main page and leaving our mark here to keep track of our work. Thank you for your understanding. Dream11team (talk) 00:34, 4 June 2014 (UTC)Dream11team

1) We added a reliable source to back up the claim of changes in the Hip-Hop Culture on the last sentence under the Legacy heading. (FG, KD)108.179.190.205 (talk) 01:02, 4 June 2014 (UTC)Dream11team

2) We added two sentences to the end of the Legacy heading on the influences of black women on Hip-Hop Culture. We also cited our work for others to trace our thought process. (YR, KD)108.179.190.205 (talk) 01:02, 4 June 2014 (UTC)Dream11team

3) We furthered the claim of the importance of women in Hip-Hop by adding to the end of the first section under the History heading. We also included a source to back up our claim. (AV, KD) 108.179.190.205 (talk) 01:14, 4 June 2014 (UTC)Dream11team

4) Added another part about women under our previous edit. We wanted to further our discussion on Women's influence in Hip-Hop. We included a citation from a previously cited article. (AV, KD)Dream11team (talk) 01:27, 4 June 2014 (UTC)Dream11team

5) Made an edit to the Commercialization subheading regarding the ease with which the industry forgets about women. We also included a citation from a third source. (AV, KD) Dream11team (talk) 01:40, 4 June 2014 (UTC)Dream11team

6) Added more to the Legacy of women in Hip-Hop including another source. (YR, KD)Dream11team (talk) 02:03, 4 June 2014 (UTC)Dream11team

7) Again we furthered our discussion of the Legacy of black women in Hip-Hop. We also added a new source to support our claims and analysis of the contributions of black women in Hip-Hop. (FG, KD) Dream11team (talk) 02:14, 4 June 2014 (UTC)Dream11team

8) Added facts to the claims about Global Innovation and the spread of Hip-Hop Culture. We used a reliable source to further the claims about the spread of Hip-Hop. (FG, KD) Dream11team (talk) 02:28, 4 June 2014 (UTC)Dream11team

9) Added the final sentence to the History section that focuses on how unsuccessful women rappers have been in gaining the same levels of popularity as male rappers. We also cited the article where we found this information. (BT, KD) Dream11team (talk) 21:20, 4 June 2014 (UTC)Dream11team

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The original gangsta rapper was Schoolly D
Rapper Ice-T, who is often given credit for the creation of gangsta rap, says that Schoolly D was the first gangsta rapper.[6]

The first record that came out along those lines was Schoolly D's "P.S.K." Then the syncopation of that rap was used by me when I made "6 in the Mornin'." The vocal delivery was the same: "...P.S.K. is makin' that green," "...six in the morning, police at my door." When I heard that record I was like, "Oh shit!" and call it a bite or what you will but I dug that record. My record didn't sound like "P.S.K.," but I liked the way he was flowing with it. "P.S.K." was talking about Park Side Killers but it was very vague. That was the only difference, when Schoolly did it, it was "...one by one, I'm knockin' em out." All he did was represent a gang on his record. I took that and wrote a record about guns, beating people down, and all that with "6 in the Mornin'."

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2020
Hello, this is me again. Here are some reliable sources ye fortelling that Hip Hop was only created by black americans and not latinos at all. That Rudy Ray Moore aka Dolemite aka a black american man actually created hip hop.

https://time.com/5711219/dolemite-is-my-name-rudy-ray-moore-legacy/

https://www.biography.com/news/who-was-rudy-ray-moore-godfather-of-rap-dolemite

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95935377

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/22/movies/22moore.html

https://www.dia.org/events/origins-hip-hop-dolemite Musiccreed01 (talk) 19:25, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. DannyS712 (talk) 10:33, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2020
Hello, I request an edit of the page hip hop because there is strong inaccurate information placed on one thing. In the article it is showing that Latinos are added as the creators of hip hop. This in fact is not true at all whatsoever. Hip Hop was created solely by African Americans aka black Americans. The black American man who is regarded and proven and confirmed to be the father or creator of hip hop is Rudy Ray Moore who is confirmed to be the godfather of hip hop. Rudy Ray Moore who is most famously known as the blackexploitation character Dolemite created Hip Hop in the late 60s early 70s.

The biggest influences of hip hop and the said founders all stated that Rudy Ray Moore is the creator of hip hop and their biggest influences. Latinos, like other groups of people, partook in the genre after it was created but didn't create nor help create it. This needs to be edited now because its giving false and inaccurate credit making it all uncredible to visitors. Thank You for your time. Here are the links to some of many extremely credible source:

https://time.com/5711219/dolemite-is-my-name-rudy-ray-moore-legacy/ https://www.biography.com/news/who-was-rudy-ray-moore-godfather-of-rap-dolemite https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95935377 https://www.dia.org/events/origins-hip-hop-dolemite https://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/22/movies/22moore.html Musiccreed01 (talk) 19:23, 8 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Not done, obviously multiple people will claim to have created each genre but "one of the godfathers of hip-hop music" does not result in "hip hop was created by him". Here we need to follow sources that discuss hip hop as a whole and are not just discussing the career of a single individual. – Thjarkur (talk) 21:18, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Divide between western music and music from the rest of the world
"hip hop music has been criticized as a music that creates a a divide between western music and music from the rest of the world"

Who made this criticism?

How is this any different from the divide between, say, western classical music and music from the rest of the world? How is this justified as an accusation specifically against hip hop?

Thisisnotatest (talk) 23:24, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Roots of hip hop?
I wonder whether this article might be improved by referring to earlier Black artists who did work similar to hip hop but which is not considered hip hop, such as The Last Poets and Gil Scott-Heron. What marks the crossover from their spoken word work to hip hop? Similarly, the 1966 song 7 and 7 Is by Love, penned by African American musician Arthur Lee has elements of hip hop. Is there something missing from this earlier work* or is it that it did not lead to a movement (if it didn't)?

I am not going to update the article to reflect these as I am not an expert in this field, so am raising this for discussion here.

* - I edited "music" to "work" although I do think of their work as music.

Thisisnotatest (talk) 23:38, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2020
French Hip Hop was started by "Sidney Duteil". Sidney Duteil, better known as Sidney, is a French musician, rapper, DJ, television and radio host, and occasional actor of Guadeloupe origin, an island in the Caribbean. He is well known in France for his connection with the beginnings of the French hip hop scene. He presented a hip hop radio program on Radio 7 from 1982. In 1984, he was the host of the popular weekly French Rap television show entitled H.I.P. H.O.P., it was France's first television show and first regular nationwide weekly show in the world to be dedicated to the hip hop culture. It was broadcast each Sunday afternoon on the French national channel TF1 in 1984, from January 14, for 43 weeks, which had a certain impact on the beginnings of the French hip hop scene. They had guests such as Herbie Hancock on February 19, Sugarhill Gang, Kurtis Blow, Afrika Bambaataa, The Rock Steady Crew, Art of Noise or Madonna and graffiti artists such as Futura 2000. This was significant for two reasons: first because Duteil became the first Black man in France to hold such a position, and secondly because the birth and eventual popularity of the weekly show demonstrated the growing admiration and involvement in the French population in hip hop culture - TazzoThaboss 153.254.157.18 (talk) 11:21, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * "FRENCH HIP-HOP"(Second Largest Hip-Hop market after the United States)


 * We would need some good sources to demonstrate that Sidney is noteworthy enough to mention in this large article. – Thjarkur (talk) 11:28, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

hip hop
hip hop is also another term for rap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.219.94.151 (talk) 13:37, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 January 2021
Change the incorrect spelling of Bill Alder to the correct Bill Adler KidOldman (talk) 00:08, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * ❌. We need to verify the spelling with the source. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 00:32, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Your images were captioned nicely and gave a good description of what was going on in each image. Mayapalikuca (talk) 00:16, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2021
Love-bug should be changed to Lovebug for consistency. 64.137.131.42 (talk) 19:35, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
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 * Yes check.svg Done  Ben  ❯❯❯  Talk  20:59, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Legacy Section need to be replaced
It’s not written as legacy it’s written as a someone’s high school history paper. I would love to delete the whole section but I would not feel comfortable doing that without input. Robjwev (talk) 19:47, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

This whole page needs love
This page is full of inaccuracies and movements of the  HipHop time line from the late 60’s to the early to mid 70’s. I tried to fix some of it but it’s to much. Robjwev (talk) 19:54, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Hip Hop Article content and sourcing dispute
This section has been created to discuss and resolve issues concerning content and it’s proper sourcing. Robjwev (talk) 04:11, 18 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Please stop acting like there's nothing wrong with the sentences that were removed from the lead. isento (talk) 05:41, 18 July 2021 (UTC)


 * elaborate what sentence are you referring to since a lot of content was removed Robjwev (talk) 07:31, 18 July 2021 (UTC)


 * The reference to Savage and the "six elements". isento (talk) 15:36, 18 July 2021 (UTC)


 * No problem I don't think I deleted that but if I did I leave it in place from here out. Any other concerns? Robjwev (talk) 18:23, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

No. Don't leave it. It should have been deleted. Thank you. isento (talk) 09:13, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Quick Question - Can I use a youtube video interview from the Chief Rocker Busy Bee speaking on Sway in the morning as a source for the 6 elements of the hip hop movement, you can't get a better source coming straight from the hip hop pioneer from day one of hip hop culture? Street sting (talk) 03:43, 1 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Per WP:RSPYT, if the video is posted by the verified account of the video source, then it inherits its reliability. Since this person would be closely associated with the subject of the article, he would not be considered an independent source (WP:INDEPENDENT) but rather a primary source, so it would be appropriate to quote him directly in the article text if he is commenting on people and events other than himself. The sources you should be prioritizing in your research are academic and journalistic, not primary-source interviews. See WP:PSTS for an outline of source types and uses. Piotr (talk) 17:11, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Piotr thank you for that info, I'm trying to make it just a little longer - the six elements of the hip hop movement, I saw one of disco king Mario's DJ's from back in the days yesterday at the tribute for Disco King Mario, and yep everything I wrote on it is 100% true, I started smiling so that's good, ok i'm almost finish so it can be added back up on Hip Hop, it's been up on Hip Hop (Wikipedia for six years already) a little brush up isn't bad.Street sting (talk) 01:15, 2 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Primary source material doesn't belong in the lead. Please read MOS:LEADREL and MOS:INTRO. This content needs to be widely covered among reliable published sources (WP:WEIGHT). Piotr (talk) 05:44, 2 August 2021 (UT