Talk:Hira

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Moved from my personal talk. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:16, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi! RFe this revert: in my edit summary I was referring to MOS:DABREDIR. If you click on that link you'll find yourself in a section of the manual of style for dab pages, which explains the use of redirects in entries.

Your approach would be preferable if the Cave of Hira was a non-notable entity that would only ever be treated within another article. However, it is a an article-level topic: it's notable in its own right, it used to be a separate article for most of its existence and it could become one again at some point, and even at the moment it's treated in a self-contained section of the article it was merged into. – Uanfala (talk) 10:57, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Your approach would be preferable if the Cave of Hira was a separate article. Since it is not, my approach is preferable. Let us not engage in WP:crystalball gazing about future events. It is what it is. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:05, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I encourage you to read MOS:DABREDIR, especially the fourth bullet point. Thanks. – Uanfala (talk) 11:09, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I think that sub-section 3.5.2 of the MOS is the relevant section for this issue: "For foreign-language terms, be sure an article exists or could be written for the word or phrase in question. Usually this means that the term has been at least partially adopted into English or is used by specialists.". Since the current name fails that test, then a re-direct is inappropriate. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:15, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * This is not a foreign-language term in the sense of the section you're citing. The relevant part of the MOS, which I've been trying to get you to look at for some time now, is "A redirect should be used to link to a specific section of an article if the title of that section is more or less synonymous with the disambiguated topic". – Uanfala (talk) 11:19, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * How is it not a not a foreign-language term? Since you won't find that mountain in any English dictionary, sub-section 3.5.2 applies in this case. This dicussion should probably move to the relevant talk page. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:16, 10 November 2019 (UTC)