Talk:Hirudegarn

I have seen the trailer of the English Version of Wrath of the Dragon, and BOTH versions call the monster "Hirudegarn". This means that the name "Hildegarn" no longer exists. Jienum


 * Where did the source for "Hildegarn" come from then? How could so many people beleive the name to be Hildegarn if it was realy Hirudegarn? I'm kinda confused on this one. (I'm not saying you're wrong, Jienum, I'm just curious as to how so many people picked up on a false name)--KojiDude (talk) 19:34, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I know what you mean, Koji, and you are right. It was the same with Broly's Japanese name. It was pronounced "Burori", and in English it became "Broly". Also with the "Seru"/"Cell" name. I suppose that's where they got "Hildegarn" from. Speaking of that, I wonder whether they've put "Hildegarn" or "Hirudegarn" on Budokai Tenkaichi 2. Jienum 19:51, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'll accept the name change though it's actually the romanji of it (damn Funimation). But I oppose the changing of his creator's name to kavashar or whatever. They were called black magicians, not kavashar. The dub of this movie takes quite a few librities with the origional story.

Starone 15:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll wait a week or two more. If no one says anything about this then I'll change it to Black Magicians.

Starone 19:49, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Edited the bit on Hirudegarn's strength. Originally, it said Goku "summoned the strength of the Eternal Dragon" to kill him. Completely incorrect as Shenlong has nothing to do with the Dragon Fist attack, which is a move Goku just used out of no where for the first time in that movie. Tsukento 00:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Hold on, what the hell I just got the Wrath of the Dragon DVD today and on the japanese sub his spelled as Hildegarn.

Hirudegarn Legs and Torso
How did tapion stop the legs when Videl and Gohan were fighting it? I thought when Tapion plays his divine ocarina that he can only control the head?--Khorikoshi 04:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it was tapion that stopped the legs. I think that maybe it was hoy creating the image of tapion stopping the legs in order to make gohan and videl think he was the bad guy. Also bulma said that to her knowledge tapion hadn't left the grounds and to add to that when tapion plays the ocarina the monster gets absorbed into his body therefore if tapion had actually been there the second half would have been inside of him. Daemonic Rite 11:42, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Merger
No need to keep the article. It's just a plot summary of a character that's not notable beyond one movie. Agree or disagree? Nemu 20:25, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * All it needs is to be expanded a little. There's alot of ways to make the article better. When you realize the bad points of an article like this, your first thought shoudl be "Oh, this article seems to be in bad shape. I'll do a little clean-up" not "This article is in bad shape, I say we get rid of it". See the difference?-- Koji Dude  (Contributions) 21:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Explain how to clean it up. I see reducing the summary down to the essentials (a couple paragraphs at most), he has no personality to explain, and an appearance and ability section would be small. It would be a three paragraph article. Don't call me a troll. You've done many things that I and other people would call very opinionated and stupid. Nemu 21:53, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Add a Biology section and explain his habits. Seperate the "bloated plot summary" into sections to make it look neater. Explain hsi origin a little more. Those are all really simple things to do. Oh, by the way, what sounds more trollish; tellign somone all their work is pointless and saying the article doesn't matter because you're too lazy to clean it up, or telling somone why an article should stay?-- Koji Dude  (Contributions) 22:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * How am I too lazy to clean it up? I've cleaned quite a few Dragon Ball pages so far. This page just has no real future if it's cleaned. Biology, three sentences unless you describe every little thing on him. Habits, once again small. Both better suited to an entry on the list. The orgin is already there - created, sealed. That's it. Once again, you're just making fluff for a nonimportant character. Who said the work was pointless? The summary can easily be placed on the movie's page, and any good info can be placed in the entry. Any pointless info would be lost along the way. Nemu 22:06, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with Nemu. Kojidude please try to be civil.  67.99.60.231 16:42, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Biology
Hirudegarn is a large, lizard-like creature (later insect-like) with a tendencey to be extra-violent. This is expressed when he is awakened, the first thing he does is destroy the closest heavily populated town he could find. Hirudegarn has many abilities to help him in his quest to destroy all life, such as fire-breath. He can also turn himself into some sort of smoke and re-assemble himself in a completley different location, making up for his lack of speed. He also retains the ability to transform when he is outmatched. Though he is only shown to transform once, it is possible he could go through even more powerful and deadly transformations, had he been given the chance.

Wow, that was so hard... I might as well just redirect it if I have to keep writing things.-- Koji Dude  (Contributions) 22:14, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Cool. Now look at it after you add that, shirnk the plot summary to make it have a point, and remove the OR and opinions from the opening. Now what do you have? A small article sutied to an entry on a list. Nemu 22:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * And really, if you don't find the plot summary pointless, think about the fact that I could write an article about any single minor character that appeared in more than one episode that could be just as long or longer than this page. Would you really want to see a page about those two filler aliens during the little Fake Namek mini arc. And just as a note, I'm not going to. It's an example. That would be true bad faith, not what you're accusing me of. Nemu 22:21, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * What OR and opinions? What we have now is a hell of alot more encyclopedic than "Hirudegarn was summoned. He fought Gohan, and then beat everyone else. He was later killed by Goku and everyone was happy. Alot more happened, but TTN thinks it isn't important, so you might wanna look it up somewhere else.". What we have now, plus a little expansion and clean-up, would be a perfectly fine article. The length doesn't decide wether it stays or not, the content does.-- Koji Dude  (Contributions) 22:25, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The little canon paragraph and the comparison to Buu. We don't even list that much history. We have the info directly pertaining to him and then people can look at the movie's article for the info. Do you really think there's much of a point to have the same plot summary over three articles? The article has no content, it's just a plot summary. If Goku had the amount of info in comparison to Hirudegarn, his page would over 150 kb. Goku needs one quarter of his page at most for history. That's from hundreds of episodes. In comparison, for one movie, a paragraph should do. Nemu 22:32, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It has no content because nobody put it there yet. I gave you plenty of examples of things you could add to it instead of redirecting it, and what did you do? Ignored it. That's classic WP:TROLL behavior; ignoring everyone's points.-- Koji Dude  (Contributions) 22:38, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I responed to your points about the biology, abilties and orgin. As your paragraph shows I was correct in the fact that they didn't amount to much. And the orgin is already explained in full detail. Separating the sections? Even worse. The point is to cut it down even if it is kept. Go look at Vegeta. Would you rather I had separated it into even more section instead of removing the pointless info(something I still should finish). I believe you're the one ignoring points and not responding. Nemu 22:43, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * "The point is to cut it down even if it is kept."


 * The point is to expand it.


 * "Separating the sections? Even worse."


 * Not really. It'd be more than just a "bloated summary", it'd look like what it should be. An article.


 * "Would you rather I had separated it into even more section instead of removing the pointless info(something I still should finish)."


 * That's different. This is a bulk of information that could be expanded and seperated into a better article. Vegeta was already like that, with just a few nn things.


 * "I believe you're the one ignoring points and not responding."


 * Every point I mention you say "It's just a plot summary, it's not a notable character, it's not important!". It's just a plot summary because nobody has expanded it. It's a notable character with plenty of info that just needs to be added. I agree it isn't important, though. It's an anime character.-- Koji Dude  (Contributions) 22:49, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm still not getting where you can expand it. You've pretty much maxed the biology and stuff. The history is also maxed out unless you really feel like adding some really pointless details. Okay, tell me why it's good to keep the same plot summary on three pages. The point of the summary is to briefly say their role in the work that they're in. This is going above and beyond that.

No, I responded by saying that the section you were proposing did not have any real info. You're generalizing my comments. What info? Once again, personality: done, biology: done, abilities: done, history: overdone, other media: done. What else is there? Nemu 22:59, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * There is nothing in this article that can't be included in the movie article. 67.99.60.231 16:47, 28 October 2006 (UTC)