Talk:Historic Hotels of America/Draft articles

This was a list of articles that have been moved to drafts in accordance with the discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1036. Struck-through entries have been independently sourced and moved back to article space. If you improve a draft and move it to mainspace, feel free to strike out the corresponding entry. (Mainspace links showing more definitively which have been restored, now also included. --Doncram (talk) 01:36, 22 December 2020 (UTC)) And seven deleted draft ones restored to draft again. --Doncram (talk) 03:19, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

about deletions

 * I don't see any point in deleting a draft that might become an article. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:58, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Draft:NOPSI New Orleans was twice deleted by "user:Liz", November 2020 and July 2022. What shows when go to create article there:
 * 18:35, 21 July 2022 Liz talk contribs deleted page Draft:NOPSI New Orleans (G13: Abandoned draft or AfC submission – If you wish to retrieve it, please see WP:REFUND/G13)
 * 23:33, 22 November 2020 Graeme Bartlett talk contribs undeleted page Draft:NOPSI New Orleans (8 revisions) (requested by Doncram)
 * 00:37, 22 November 2020 Liz talk contribs deleted page Draft:NOPSI New Orleans (G13 -Candidates for speedy deletion as abandoned drafts or AfC submissions)


 * User:Deor, as an admin with some familiarity here, could you possibly please restore/refund Draft:NOPSI New Orleans (current HHA) and also Draft:Campbell House (Lexington, Kentucky) (former HHA)? Both were twice deleted by User:Liz, with the second time being immediately after they had been restored by my requests at wp:Refund, for reasoning I can't fathom. (Although time-stamps above would make more sense if Liz's 2nd deletion was at 00:37 on 23 November rather than 22 November... i suppose those are their local times not GMT.)  sincerely, --Doncram (talk,contribs) 20:40, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know what your second sentence is supposed to mean, since both pairs of deletions by Liz (more them 1$1/2$ years apart) were more than six months after either draft had been edited and were thus proper WP:G13 speedy deletions. I'll restore the drafts again, but if you have no intention of improving them and submitting them to AfD, I don't really see the point. I'll be putting the drafts on my watchlist to see what happens. Deor (talk) 23:09, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Oh, i see i was interpreting the timestamps wrong.  I thot it was in chrono order but with mistake somehow in the last two of three items. Makes sense now as in reverse chrono. Doncram (talk,contribs) 02:22, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

[list below being re-organized by state --Doncram (talk) 18:33, 29 April 2021 (UTC)]
 * As of May 24, 2021, about 29 of 53 remain in Draftspace; about 24 have been promoted. Goes towards supporting expected notability of all. --Doncram (talk) 02:26, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * As of 09 November 2021, 28 have been restored to mainspace, and one (Campbell House (Lexington, Kentucky) is no longer HHA-listed. --Doncram (talk) 15:32, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * As of January 2022, only 21 of 53 have not been resolved, basically 32 have been restored, either as separate articles or as sections elsewhere or similar. --Doncram (talk) 22:09, 11 January 2022 (UTC) --23:44, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * As of June 2022, more than 2/3 done, only 17 of 53 remain.--Doncram (talk) 23:42, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * As of July 22, 2022, two more recently promoted, so 15 or fewer remain. NOPSI draft and perhaps another one or two recently deleted, unhelpfully. --Doncram (talk) 16:02, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 13 remain, less than 25% of 53.--Doncram (talk) 14:13, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 10 remain, less than 20% [if Campbell House (Lexington, Kentucky) considered resolved due to it no longer being HHA]. --Doncram (talk) 08:54, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * 10 remain, less than 20% [even including Campbell House as one of the 10, after NOPSI moved to mainspace]. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 18:02, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Alphabetical by state (Alabama to Wisconsin)
There were 53 in total. 47/53 done
 * not done as of 5/24/2023
 * 1) Draft:The Wigwam (Litchfield Park, Arizona); The Wigwam (Litchfield Park, Arizona)
 * 2) Draft:Tubac Golf Resort and Spa; Tubac Golf Resort and Spa, Tubac, Arizona
 * 3) Draft:Terrace Hotel (Lakeland, Florida); Terrace Hotel (Lakeland, Florida)
 * 4) Draft:Lodge at Wakulla Springs; Lodge at Wakulla Springs, Wakulla Springs, Florida
 * 5) Draft:Silver Birches (hotel); Silver Birches (hotel), Pennsylvania.  Draft was deleted by User:Liz, who also tried deleting others.  [List of sources was developed here, then moved to restored Draft, in January 2022.]
 * 6) Draft:Newport Beach Hotel & Suites; Newport Beach Hotel & Suites, Middleton, Rhode Island


 * done as of 5/23/2023
 * 1) Draft:Admiral Hotel (Mobile, Alabama); Admiral Hotel (Mobile, Alabama) (later developed somewhat by Doncram). Developed by User:Bkissin, User:LordDewi and User:MB, and promoted by Bkissin, thanks! --Doncram (talk) 02:17, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 2) Draft:Hacienda Del Sol Guest Ranch Resort ; Hacienda Del Sol Guest Ranch Resort (expanded 15 May 2020 by User:Cbl62, restored by them to mainspace 15 May 2020).  In or near Tucson, Arizona.
 * 3) Draft:Royal Palms Resort and Spa ; Royal Palms Resort and Spa, Phoenix, Arizona
 * 4) Draft:White Stallion Ranch ; White Stallion Ranch, in or near Tucson, Arizona
 * 5) Draft:Stonepine Estate ; Stonepine Estate, Carmel Valley near Carmel, California
 * 6) Draft:Napa River Inn ; Napa River Inn, California.  In mainspace before July 22, 2022.
 * 7) Draft:Hotel Constance Pasadena ; Hotel Constance Pasadena (expanded 15 May 2020 by User:Cbl62, restored to mainspace by them 15 May 2020)
 * 8) Draft:Ojai Valley Inn ; Ojai Valley Inn (developed 12 May by User:Cbl62, restored to mainspace by User:Deor 12 May, although not leaving behind redirect as could be done --doncram)  California
 * 9) Draft:Hotel Whitcomb ; Hotel Whitcomb (expanded 15 May 2020 by User:Cbl62, restored to mainspace by them 15 May 2020), San Francisco, California
 * 10) Draft:Hotel La Rose ; Hotel La Rose, Santa Rosa, California Was getting multiple sources, turned out to be separately nrhp-list, too.--Doncram (talk) 14:13, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 11) Draft:La Valencia Hotel ; La Valencia Hotel, La Jolla, California; accepted and developed by User:Bkissin and User:MB, thanks!
 * 12) Draft:Norwich Inn ; Norwich Inn, Norwich, Connecticut
 * 13) Draft:Inn at Montchanin Village ; Inn at Montchanin Village (developed 15 October by User:Bkissin & restored to mainspace by them 15 October 2020), Montchanin, Delaware
 * 14) Draft:Casa Faena ; Casa Faena (developed by User:Doncram, submitted to AFC 19 December, was eventually accepted), Miami Beach, Florida
 * 15) Draft:National Hotel (Miami Beach, Florida) ; National Hotel (Miami Beach, Florida)
 * 16) Draft:Belleview Inn; Belleview Inn, Florida. Moved back to mainspace, but then merged to Belleview-Biltmore Hotel article (pre-existing from 2006) which covers the topic. Belleview Inn now redirects to there, which has the term bolded.--Doncram (talk) 23:44, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * 17) Draft:Greystone Hotel ; Greystone Miami Beach, Florida
 * 18) Draft:Partridge Inn; Partridge Inn, Augusta, Georgia. Accepted by User:CNMall41, thanks! --Doncram (talk) 02:22, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 19) Draft:River Street Inn ; River Street Inn  New article created by another editor; material merged. --Doncram (talk) 23:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC) Savannah, Georgia.  Article needs renaming from "124 East Bay Street".
 * 20) Draft:The Cotton Sail Hotel; The Cotton Sail Hotel, Savannah, Georgia, a accepted 5/2022
 * 21) Draft:The DeSoto ; The DeSoto (developed 23 May by User:Bubba73 & restored to mainspace by them 23 May 2020), Savannah, Georgia
 * 22) Draft:Hilton Orrington/Evanston ; Hilton Orrington/Evanston, Evanston, Illinois  Was AFC-approved at Hilton Orrington, when want it at title which includes a slash (/) character.  Requested move at wp:RM, which was done.
 * 23) Draft:The Sherman (Batesville, Indiana) ; The Sherman (Batesville, Indiana) (developed somewhat 23 November by user:Doncram)  AFC accepted 2021-04. --Doncram (talk) 23:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC)  Batesville, Indiana
 * 24) Draft:Campbell House (Lexington, Kentucky); Campbell House (Lexington, Kentucky) No longer HHA-listed, in 2021.
 * 25) Draft:NOPSI New Orleans ; NOPSI New Orleans, New Orleans, Louisiana. Promoted.
 * 26) Draft:Portland Regency Hotel & Spa ; Portland Regency Hotel & Spa (developed 11 May by User:Namiba & restored by them to mainspace 11 May 2020), Portland, Maine
 * 27) Draft:Hotel Brexton ; Hotel Brexton, Baltimore, Maryland.  Modified by JSwift49 and Bkissin in May 2023 and promoted by Bkissin
 * 28) Draft:Concord's Colonial Inn ; Concord's Colonial Inn, Concord, Massachusetts (developed by User:Seasider53 on August 21)
 * 29) Draft:Kendall Hotel ; Kendall Hotel, Cambridge, Massachusetts. Good source found by Bkissin; to mainspace July 22, 2022.
 * 30) Draft:The Saint Paul Hotel; The Saint Paul Hotel, Minnesota.  Gangster haven. submitted by Bkissin. Developed out greatly by User:MB, even for DYK. --Doncram (talk) 02:22, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 31) Draft:Omni Bretton Arms Inn ; Omni Bretton Arms Inn (material merged 15 December into Mount_Washington_Hotel by User:Doncram, draft properly moved to mainspace to hold edit history, allow for re-separation), New Hampshire
 * 32) Draft:The Queensbury Hotel ; The Queensbury Hotel, Glens Falls, New York (developed mostly by Doncram, restored by Bkissin to mainspace 29 April 2021) TURNS OUT TO HAVE BEEN NRHP-LISTED in 2018, though this was not detectable by websearching. NRHP doc not available at NPS or NARA.
 * 33) Draft:Jefferson Clinton Hotel ; Jefferson Clinton Hotel, Syracuse, New York
 * 34) Draft:Hotel Skyler ; Hotel Skyler (expanded 20 October by User:Bkissin & restored by them to mainspace 20 October 2020; further developed somewhat by User:Doncram and User:MB) Syracuse, New York
 * 35) Draft:Graylyn Estate (Winston-Salem, North Carolina) ; Graylyn Estate (Winston-Salem, North Carolina) (restored to mainspace but merged to Graylyn, which is fine IMO -doncram)
 * 36) Draft:Atherton Hotel at Oklahoma State University ; Atherton Hotel at Oklahoma State University (expanded 19 Nov 2020 by User:Doncram, submitted to AFC, no review yet as of 21 Dec 2020, was eventually accepted)
 * 37) Draft:Penn Wells Hotel ; Penn Wells Hotel (developed somewhat by User:Bkissin & restored by them to mainspace, October 2020), Wellsboro, Pennsylvania
 * 38) Draft:Hotel Viking (Newport, Rhode Island) ; Hotel Viking (Newport, Rhode Island)
 * 39) Draft:Kings Courtyard Inn ; Kings Courtyard Inn, Charleston, South Carolina
 * 40) Draft:The Dewberry ; The Dewberry Charleston, South Carolina (soonish after Doncram added a citation, Bkissin restored to mainspace)
 * 41) Draft:Wentworth Mansion ; Wentworth Mansion (expanded somewhat by User:Doncram, restored to mainspace by AFC) Charleston, South Carolina
 * 42) Draft:Hotel on Phillips ; Hotel on Phillips, Sioux Falls, South Dakota, in NRHP-listed Sioux Falls National Bank Building.  NRHP article moved to "Hotel on Phillips" and expanded a bit.  Not all material in the Draft has been merged yet, though. --Doncram (talk) 00:53, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 43) Draft:Crockett Hotel ; Crockett Hotel (expanded somewhat by User:Doncram, restored to mainspace by AFC) San Antonio, Texas
 * 44) Draft:Georgetown Inn ; Georgetown Inn, Washington, D.C.
 * 45) Draft:Hotel Lombardy ; Hotel Lombardy, Washington, D.C.. Edited and promoted by User:JSwift49, May 2023.  Leaves only 8 of these drafts unresolved. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 16:12, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * 46) Draft:Phoenix Park Hotel ; Phoenix Park Hotel, Washington, D.C. (expanded by User:Star Mississippi and then more on Sept 21 2021 by User:CanadianShoe and then promoted by Bkissin.)
 * 47) Draft:The Edgewater (Madison, Wisconsin) ; The Edgewater (Madison, Wisconsin)

Thank you, to User:Bkissin, User:Cbl62, User:MB, User:Bubba73, User:Namiba. --Doncram (talk) 02:35, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You're welcome ! I think the editors listed here have a good sense of WP:RS and WP:THREE to bring a lot of these articles to mainspace. I know I've looked at some where finding good reliable sources is difficult. Bkissin (talk) 14:07, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

What is difference in revision that gets through AFC?

 * For Draft:Royal Palms Resort and Spa, sourcing that is useful, makes significance more clear, in multiple outlets detailed coverage upon 70th anniversary event, prompted probably a press release and/or other promotion (or did they follow each other?), that happened in 2018 but i hadn't found. Maybe difference was that in September, 2022 i tried searching on "Royal Palms Resort, Arizona" (without "and Spa"), and found:
 * Detailed, interesting history in "Royal Palms Resort: 70 Years of Grandeur" by Amanda Christmann, in Images Arizona:
 * The Arizona Republic (see The Republic) / AZ Central's take on 70 year anniversary, also with detail:
 * and AZ Big Media's (LIFESTYLE section?):
 * --Doncram (talk) 21:02, 24 September 2022 (UTC)