Talk:Historic Monuments of Ancient Kyoto (Kyoto, Uji and Otsu Cities)

sortable Table
I made the table sortable. Please check if it works as expected.bamse (talk) 09:51, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. It works as advertised. Not sure if it can be improved. For example, the "Type" column. Do you know a way to change the sort key, so that "independent Buddhist temple" sorts according to "temple"?And Rokuon-ji… Readers may expect it to sort by its nickname. Also I wonder if it's worth breaking the "Position" column into one for prefecture-city-ward (when there is a ward) and another for coordinates, or is that going too far? Even listing locations in prefecture-city-ward order would make a pretty meaningful sort.


 * Anyhow, I'm just musing. Nothing urgent. Thanks for making it sortable. Fg2 (talk) 10:24, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the feedback. At the moment "independent Buddhist temple" sorts as "temple Independent" while those that belong to a certain sect sort as "temple sectname" for instance "Tendai Buddhist temple" would sort as "temple Tendai" which makes it appear after the independent temple. I am aware that Independent and the name of a sect are not the same thing, so maybe it would be better to sort the independent temple at the beginning or end of all temples. (Incidentally it is sorted at the beginning since all the names of the sects start with letters > 'I'.) Another problem in the type-column is Byōdō-in which is jointly held by Jōdo shū and Tendai. I sorted it as "temple Joudo shuu", ignoring the Tendai sect. Suggestions for alternatives are welcome here.
 * Rokuon-ji/Kinkaku-ji is another problem (Ginkaku-ji as well). I would leave it sorted as Rokuon-ji as this is the official name. If there is more support for Kinkaku-ji sorting I would not object though.
 * The position column is currently sorted as city-ward I believe. Coordinates could go into a separate column, but this would make the table very wide. Sorting by coordinates would not make much sense, so I think we could leave the coordinates together with the city/ward in one column.bamse (talk) 18:22, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, the position column worked well, except for Uji. It's not a ward in the city of Kyoto; it's a separate city. It was sorting between two wards in the city of Kyoto. If it sorted Prefecture -City-Ward (using ward only for the city of Kyoto), the city of Kyoto would be first, sorted by its wards; the city of Uji would be second, sorted by ???; and the city of Ōtsu would be last. I changed the locations in the city of Kyoto by inserting prefecture-city-ward, for example, Kyoto Kyoto Minami-ku, and I think that fine-tunes it. Did I get it right? Fg2 (talk) 23:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing it. Seems to sort fine. How about the visible text in the position column: there are two types of Kyoto (prefecture/city). Could that be confusing? Should we change it to something like "[wardname] in Kyoto (city) in Kyoto Prefecture" and "Uji/Ōtsu in Kyoto/Shiga Prefecture" respectively?bamse (talk) 23:50, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It can be done, but it's often overkill. The names (Kyoto) are linked to the city or prefecture so anyone who needs the information can get it there. Also the links to the individual articles on the temples/shrines/castles should include complete addresses in the information box (if they don't, it's a good thing to add in those articles). It might be simpler to remove "Kyoto" (prefecture) from Uji. The one addition I'm tempted to make is to add "Prefecture" after "Shiga," since this is the only prefecture outside Kyoto in this article. But none of this is strong opinion. If you'd prefer something different, give it a try. Fg2 (talk) 01:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Move proposal/question
Should this article be moved to Historic Monuments of Ancient Kyōto(Kyōto, Uji and Ōtsu Cities)? What do you think? bamse (talk) 11:37, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

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Lost two entries in 2018
There are 2 of 17 entries missing from the List of sites, Jishō-ji (aka Temple of the Silver Pavilion / Ginkaku-ji) and Tenryū-ji. They were lost in the big reformat of January 19, 2018. Understandable as tables don't diff well. Attempting to recreate from the article's history. Hollomis (talk) 21:01, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you... Not entirely understandable, as there are only 17 entries so a quick count when choosing to reformat might have been in order. Amazing no-one has spotted for five years, especially as this is a "top importance" article! Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:53, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Missing two have been added back. Hollomis (talk) 23:05, 30 October 2023 (UTC)