Talk:Historic premillennialism

TITLE OF ARTICLE
The title is itself polemical. The title is a claim that those who hold this position are historical, as opposed to (for example) pre-trib rapturists. The title should be changed to something objectively descriptive, such as Post-Tribulationism. Or at least the article should start with the statement that "Historic Premillennialism" is the term which some who are post-tribulationists, use for themselves. As to how historical this view is, that is a subject for debate. (EnochBethany (talk) 16:18, 10 March 2011 (UTC))

INITIAL SUMMARY NOT UNIQUE
The initial description says, "Post-tribulational premillennialism is the Christian eschatological view which teaches that the second coming of Jesus Christ will occur prior to a thousand-year reign of the saints, but subsequent to the great apostasy and the tribulation." The exact same statement can be made concerning Dispensational-Premillennialism. Thus, the initial statement does not really set forth how historic premillennialism differs. Of course subsequent text fills that in, but wondered if the initial summary could be made more specific by appending the phrase, "and that the church will go through the tribulation." — Preceding unsigned comment added by ACGarland (talk • contribs) 04:01, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

JAMES MONTGOMERY BOICE TAUGHT DISPENSATIONAL PREMILLENNIALISM
This is evident in his book Last and Future World and his commentary on the minor prophets. Keith Mathison alleges that Boice taught historical millennialism, but I have yet to find this in Boice's own teachings, and Mathison never cites where Boice taught this. I will remove Boice from this list, and suggest that he not be added back unless we have evidence from Boice's own teachings that he changed his mind from dispensational premillennialism later in life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elnwood (talk • contribs) 08:14, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

IRENAEUS DID NOT HOLD THIS VIEW
In the 'History' section somebody has erroneously claimed that Irenaeus held to "Historic premillennialism". As is unamiguously noted on the Irenaeus article, Irenaeus clearly believed otherwise: "Irenaeus declares that the Antichrist's future three-and-a-half-year reign, when he sits in the temple at Jerusalem, will be terminated by the second advent, with the resurrection of the just, the destruction of the wicked, and the millennial reign of the righteous. The general resurrection and the judgment follow the descent of the New Jerusalem at the end of the millennial kingdom." See the following sources: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103530.htm http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103535.htm

Someone has clearly failed to check his/her sources, or worse - somebody, in an effort to support their presuppositions, has knowingly attributed a view to Irenaeus that he not only did not hold, but contradicts. Therefore, I have removed this baseless, erroneous statement from the article. If you disagree with my actions, feel free to contribute to the debate by adding documented and reputable sources to this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.13.245 (talk) 20:07, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

It is also to be noted there is misinformation in the first paragraph. The newer title is historic premillennialism, not posttribulation premillennialism. The second is the older name for the doctrine. Also, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, Papias, and Polycarp's writings concerning this is premillennial but none of them designate the rapture timing. This page was obviously written by someone with an agenda of promoting their personal doctrine of posttribulation rapture. The article also erroneously states premillenials who are not postrib are dispensationalist. I am so not impressed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DexLoxley (talk • contribs) 16:00, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

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