Talk:History of Afghanistan (1992–present)

Bais
I want to start a discussion about this page because I think it is written in a very biased manner; a manner that is very pro-U.S., and pro the Northern Alliance along with its leaders, one of whom is actually referenced as a hero. In my research, I have found a story more like this:

Woman and children suffered most at the hands of the mujahideen, who used Islam as an excuse to commit the most barbaric atrocities. These same fundamentalists form the backbone of the Northern Alliance, which the West has chosen to once again support since September 11. The Northern Alliance, together with the West, has portrayed Masood—its leader, who was assassinated in late 2001—as a “saint.” However, it is unclear how Masood’s supporters are able to erase the memory of the terror imposed by the Rabbani-Masood command after the fall of the pro-Soviet puppet regime on April 28, 1992 (Mansoor 71).

Burhanuddin Rabbani is the fundamentalist leader of Jamiat Islam Afghanistan (Islamic Association of Afghanistan). During the Soviet regime, he got support from Pakistan’s Interservices Intelligence, the CIA, and Arab countries to fight the Soviets. Months after the collapse of the puppet regime in 1992, he became the so-called president of Afghanistan. His forces committed uncountable crimes in Kabul and other provinces. Ahmad Shah Masood was the military leader of Jamiat Islami Afghanistan. But he also had another group, the Shurahi Nezar (Supervisory Council). Just days before September 11, he was killed by two Arab suicide bombers in northern Afghanistan. Although a fundamentalist, he fought against the Taliban. From 1992 to 1996, he joint forces of Rabbani and Masood controlled the government in Kabul. During these years they committed numerous crimes against innocent civilians (Mansoor 82).

Overall, the misogynistic regulations of Rabbani-Masood, Abdurab Rasool Sayyaf, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, Karim Khalili, and other Jehadi murderers remained in place until their brethren-in-creed, the Taliban, came to power in 1996. As journalist Robert Fisk recounts, “It remains a fact that from 1992 to 1996, the Northern Alliance was a symbol of massacre, systematic rape and pillage. Which is why we—and I include the U.S. State Department—welcomed the Taliban when they arrived in Kabul. The Northern Alliance left the city in 1996 with 50,000 dead behind it. Now its members are our foot soldiers. Better than Mr. bin Laden, to be sure. But what—in God’s name—are they going to do in our name” (Fisk 2001; see Mansoor 82)?

Any comments?

I encourage you to make edits to remove the POV. Kingturtle 04:16, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Don't we know for a fact al-Qaeda made the 9/11 attacks?
It says "...al Qaeda are believed responsible for the September 11, 2001 attacks..." but don't we know it for a fact at this point? I know they could have just clammed responsibility for the glory of it, but haven't we found more evidence now?JLAF 04:36, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Disputed
The following comments were added to the text of the article on 25 February by IP editor 213.130.112.66. I removed them from the article and placed them here. --Bejnar 23:14, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * This article tries to put the blame for the proxy wars of Afghanistan on the shoulders of Rabbani I strongly advise readers to seek alternative views. it is done so in a subtle and cleaver way but those who know the events of Afghanistan would certainly dispute it.
 * this article said that Taliban were Madrash students and were formed in 1994 which means they were too young to have been fighting against the Soviets, therefore it is wrong to suggest that Osama and Taliban fought the soviets the truth is Osama and the Mujahedeen fought against the Soviets and later Osama and the Taliban fought against the Mujahedeen.

History Template
There has been warring over the proper history template to use with this article. The two proposed are Template:History of Greater Iran proposed by Anoshirawan and Template:History of Afghanistan. The claim for the use of Template:History of Greater Iran is that "Afghanistan has always been part of Iran". The basis for Template:History of Afghanistan is that it is more specific to this article, even if the Iranian claim is true. I have reviewed the various edits and edit summaries, and I am of the opinion that one one of these two templates should be used, and that the the Template:History of Afghanistan is more appropriate. If using the more specific template is unsatisfactory for you, please do not edit war, please take this to Requests for mediation. --Bejnar 21:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

The same logic should be applied to the rest of the articles which certain users insist on applying the Greater Iran template to. I hope you are a neutral party on this matter, because the conduct of other users with regards to Afghanistan related articles should be a point of concern. There are users with obvious political motives making unjustified changes and blocking others from correcting or contributing anything contrary to their own personal and political views. --Khampalak 23:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Afghanistan's template starts from the Sadozai dynasty. Afghanistan was formed in the last decade of the 19th century while the Sadozais were out of power in the early 19th century. Afghanistan was always part of Great Iran so its logical to have it in this page.

There you go again, Anoshirawana. Your every action confirms everything I've said. Nice job. And there is no such thing as Greater Iran. It's a concept...a convenient label applied to a loosely defined geographical area. You do not own these articles, and you certainly do not have a strong grasp of history. --Khampalak 23:29, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Afghanistan never existed before Abdur Rahman Khan.

--Anoshirawan 02:46, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This user has edited multiple articles with this exact same edit. It is a misuse of templates, obviously the proper one is the Afghanistan one. Afghanistan is part of Asia too, and its always been part of Asia, yet we do not have a template for Asia in general - we have one for Afghanistan specifically. ~ Rangeley ( talk ) 13:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)