Talk:History of African Americans in Baltimore

Requested move 4 June 2020

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The result of the move request was: Moved as non-controversial. (non-admin closure) ---  C &amp; C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 18:38, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

– By WP:DEFINITE and WP:CONCISE, the use of "the" should be dropped from these article titles because it simply is not necessary to convey the topic of the article; if anything, the use of the definite article in this case is clunky. For now, we can disregard the "political correctness" argument that using the definite article to refer to ethnic groups in certain cases is "othering" and a social wrong. While I personally think this argument is compelling, the true test of whether referring to "African Americans" with "the" is acceptable can simply be determined by looking at the wider media: In 2019, news articles mentioning "the African Americans" were a very small fraction (1.1%) of articles mentioning "African Americans". By WP:COMMONNAME, the title of the articles should be changed to reflect this usage by the media. Mysterymanblue (talk) 18:56, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * History of the African Americans in Baltimore → History of African Americans in Baltimore
 * History of the African Americans in Los Angeles → History of African Americans in Los Angeles
 * Support per WP:NATURALNESS. The use of the definite article here just seems strange and unnatural to me. Also, per WP:CONSISTENT, as there are a number of other articles that begin "History of African Americans in..." Rreagan007 (talk) 19:37, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support 100% (and Support other similar moves) per WP:DEFINITE, WP:CONCISE, and especially WP:NATURALNESS and WP:CONSISTENT. You wouldn't say "I learned about the history of the Americans", you say "history of Americans" – and this isn't any different (it almost sounds pejorative with a "the")! Paintspot Infez (talk) 21:32, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support and also support the dozens of others you listed, although I wish they were in one place considering the argument is the exact same.--Ortizesp (talk) 12:43, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I understand it may be frustrating that these RMs are split into so many different pieces, but it is my feeling that this must be decided on an ethnicity-by-ethnicity basis, as the English language tends to have minute differences in how it treats the name of each group. Mysterymanblue (talk) 16:36, 5 June 2020 (UTC)


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Removal of Baltimore Portal
As two IP editors have recently removed the portal for Baltimore from this article, I thought it would be a good idea to invite a discussion here. I have reverted both of these changes, so my own perspective is clear. I think the article History of African Americans in Baltimore would find relevance from the Baltimore portal. I am curious what the views of other editors here are. --Sauzer (talk) 13:28, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

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