Talk:History of Azerbaijan/Archive 3

Improvements
I am going through the article adding info, removing OR/POV, removing unencyclopaedic material, and putting citation tags for claims that have no sources. The sections titles should also be a bit shorter.Hajji Piruz 23:15, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Add a source tag as the overwhelming majority of this article is unsourced.Hajji Piruz 23:23, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

edit
1) okay I removed 200 A.D., because Khazars did not exist then. (this was fixed in Azerbaijani people)  But I did mention Khazar incursion.  2) Tabari never uses bilad al-qipchaq for Azerbaijan. 3) Oghuz came after Islamic era. 4) story of Ra'esh is a myth during the time of manuchehr(shahnameh), when Ra'esh the mythical Yemeni king fights in India (Hind and Sind) then in Sudan and then finally helps Manuchehr (mythical Iranian king) defeat Afrasiyab (identified with Turks during the late Sassanid and Islamic era). This story was told in the court of Mua'wiyah (according to Kitab al-Tijan) and has been rehearsed in Tabari, Ba'ami, Hamzeh Esfahani, Ibn Makawyah. Does not have historical value. Added alittle about Shirvanshah from their own webpage. Added link to caucus albania. Parthian/Achaemenid and specially sassanid era could use a expansion.--alidoostzadeh 16:27, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Khanates
Ali, thanks for the edits. I am presenting the same 5 references that were used in Karabakh khanate article to establish evidence that khanates were independent. As a matter of compromise, I do concur that the Khanates were nominally Persian, but in reality they carried out independent foreign policy. I believe this reference from Cambridge History of Iran, is most relevant in application to most of the khanates: Thanks. Atabek (talk) 08:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Avery, Peter; Hambly, Gavin (1991). The Cambridge History of Iran. Cambridge University Press, 126. ISBN 0521200954. “Agha Muhammad Khan could now turn to the restoration of the outlying provinces of the Safavid kingdom. Returning to Tehran in the spring of 1795, he assembled a force of some 60,000 cavalry and infantry and in Shawwal Dhul-Qa'da/May, set off for Azarbaijan, intending to conquer the country between the rivers Aras and Kura, formerly under Safavid control. This region comprised a number of independent khanates of which the most important was Qarabagh, with its capital at Shusha; Ganja, with its capital of the same name; Shirvan accross the Kura, with its capital at Shamakhi; and to the north-west, on both banks of the Kura, Christian Georgia (Gurjistan), with its capital at Tiflis.”
 * Atabek, Thanks but those sources talk about one Khanate, which I have shown thereis dispute about. Specially about the duration.  With the exception of one, none of the others talk about the whole durtaion fron 1747-1822.  Some of these Khanates like Nakhchivan, Ganja were actually fully submitted to the Shah, so we can't generalize all of them.  I think we should mention the Khanates and then mention their different statues in their own particular enteries.  But for now I am just concentrating on the Karabakh Khanate.  Thanks.  --alidoostzadeh (talk) 12:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't quite understand why the sources were removed. I'm AGF and will self-revert if necessary. VartanM (talk) 09:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:33, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

region Azerbaijan
Azerbaijan is not bordered with Iran in the south, it includes South Azerbaijan also. So the definition in intro paragraph should be revised. -ArazZeynilitalkcontrib02:03, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Template
I removed the nationality template, as this article is about the History of Azerbaijan region. Thanks. Atabek (talk) 07:46, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

The info added recently was repetitive to the section Albania, Roman-Parthian rivalry, and Sassanian conquest, and written in poor English. I merged both sections and incorporated info about borders at various times into the existing section. --Grandmaster (talk) 14:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)