Talk:History of Bavaria

Untitled
This good history needs bolded subsections to make it more readable. Could someone with better competence than I do this? Wetman 14:04, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)

The discussion on the origin of the Bavarians should be worked out more in detail, compare on Bajuwaren. I personally find it more likely that the Celtic section was more than just "possibly" and "small", not to mention Slavic et al.

I agree with the above poster that the origins section needs to be worked on. The theories of Bohemian origin are flawed, both in their use of the archaeological evidence and in their attempt at a linguistic derivation of Baiovarii from Baiahaim (=Bohemia), so I'll remove those sentences or tone them down. The German version is much more balanced. I'll also remove the bibliographic references from the 19th (!) century.

a question
Is there any relationship between Eurasian Avars and their ruler "Bayan" that were forced out from Pannonia?

"Avars were driven westward when the Gokturks defeated the Hephthalites in the 550s and the 560s. They entered Europe in the sixth century and, having been bought off by the Eastern Emperor Justinian I, pushed north into Germany (as Attila the Hun had done a century before).

Finding the country unsuited to their nomadic lifestyle (and the Franks stern opponents), they turned their attention to the Pannonian plain, which was then being contested by two Germanic tribes, the Lombards and the Gepids. Siding with the Lombards, they destroyed the Gepids in 567 and established a state in the Danube River area. Their harassment soon (ca. 568) forced the Lombards into northern Italy, a migration that marked the last Germanic migration in the Migrations Period. The Avar leader from c. 565 to c. 600 was called Bayan."

That theory can't be taken seriously. Fulcher 07:41, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Why is here always stated that Charles Theodor was forced to retire ? This is not true ! gogafax

Images
This article has vitrually no images. Perhaps someone should copy a few from Bavaria? --Grimhelm 17:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Typo?
Christianity had lingered in Bavaria from Roman times, but a new era set in when Rupert, bishop of Worms, came to the county at the invitation of Duke Theodo ...

— Shouldn't it be country, not county? Sca 21:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Merge?
What all is needed to be merged from Bavaria here? Are there any editors keeping a lookout for this page who'd be willing to help? xCentaur | talk  20:27, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I think the images from Bavaria would be better off here. I could be wrong, but that article is quite long and the gallery is rather large. --Grimhelm 20:34, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Clean-up?
Looking at it and the Bavaria page, this one doesn't need a cleanup any more. It is a long history well told. Maybe the historical buildings are worthy of their own page, with links to this one and Bavaria?Red Hurley 18:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Nazi stronghold
In opposite of the assertion found in the text Bavaria was NO stronghold of Nazism. Though the NSDAP was a earlier a considerable force in Bavaria than in other German states it scored worse than the national average from 1930 on. Real strongholds were Thüringen or Braunschweig.

http://www.gonschior.de/weimar/Bayern/Uebersicht_RTW.html http://www.gonschior.de/weimar/Deutschland/Uebersicht_RTW.html

former state articles
It is rather unfortunate that we do not seem to have any articles dealing with former states called "Bavaria" prior to the creation of the kingdom of Bavaria in 1805. Electorate of Bavaria redirects here, while Duchy of Bavaria redirects to List of rulers of Bavaria. This seems wrong to me. Both are deserving of their own articles, or perhaps of one article called Duchy of Bavaria which deals with both. Notice that in a somewhat comparable case we have Duchy of Saxony, Saxe-Wittenberg, Margraviate of Meissen, Electorate of Saxony, and Kingdom of Saxony, rather than just expecting Saxony, History of Saxony, and List of rulers of Saxony to do all the work. Shouldn't we do the same for Bavaria? Such articles would serve a different purpose from History of Bavaria. This article should serve to give an overview of Bavarian history from its beginnings. Articles on specific states would allow for discussions of the peculiarities of each, and allow for a greater focus on constitutional issues that don't fit well into a chronological narrative. Thoughts? john k (talk) 00:58, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I like the idea --imars (talk) 07:03, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've attempted to create an article for Electorate of Bavaria. It is mostly just a copy and paste of the parts of the history section of this article dealing with the 17th and 18th centuries, but I also attempted brief "geography" and "dignities" sections, to use the former state template appropriately, and to give an introduction which explains the basic facts about the state.  john k (talk) 17:16, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Bayer ethymology
Bayer can mean farmer. It is related to Scandianvian word -''Bo ,Bor' 'to live, to be farmer ,from here also word   village in Scandinavian- singular By ,plural Byar Dutch Boers can have same ethymology. Obviously, many's noted plenty of British villages and towns, whose name ends on By : New-by ,Scot-by,Kirk-by  and dozens of others.

A more common etymology refers to Bohemia. `Bojer´ or `Boier´ ment those antique tribes, which came from the eastern regions of todays Czechia. The north-german bo=to live (`wohnen´ in modern german) is not covered by contemporary sources.--85.177.21.112 (talk) 14:26, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

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