Talk:History of Belfast

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It would be good to have some post-WWII stuff other than that on the Troubles. Presumably while the Troubles were happening normal city things were still going on - development, expansion into the hinterlands, patterns of industry etc. This article reinforces the idea that Irish history is nothing but Prods and Catholics killing each other. --Helenalex 06:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

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Citation
The source is actually an audio book through Audible that was originally broadcast on BBC Radio. It was written by an historian so I cited him and the radio program. Kylecholmes (talk) 21:38, 24 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, I noticed it was available on Amazon. Is it not split into episodes? The original series appears to be 120 episodes, the Amazon pages talks about "240 short documentaries". They really need to be individually cited, rather than expecting someone to guess where in the nearly 24 hours of audio the information can be found. FDW777 (talk) 21:41, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

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The history section contains the following: “the marshy ford where the River Lagan met the River Farset (the name comes from the Irish Béal Feirste which translates to "Mouth of the River Farset") “. Since the parenthesis seems to say that the name of the river Farset comes from an Irish name meaning “mouth of the river Farset”, this seems a bit circular and so I will remove the parenthesis pending clarification Elinruby (talk) 02:19, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

The Queen visited
This gets way more attention than almost anything else. It seems a bit UNDUE to me, but possibly that’s just me. Currently not I am not addressing structure, but perhaps someone should. Comments? Elinruby (talk) 12:24, 12 November 2021 (UTC)


 * The visit of the king a couple of decades later seems more directly related to actual events however. Elinruby (talk) 21:22, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Notes from copy-edit
I just went all the way through the article on a first pass. I am leaving the tags up as I am not convinced I got all of the problems. I am somewhat interested in the topic and will probably be back for a second pass, but meanwhile here are some observations in case they help anyone else working on this.
 * I believe at least one editor was using speech to text on a phone, so watch for this. For example, the past tense of “to lead” is led not lead. This one appeared repeatedly but there were some others, including Stormont as Storming.
 * Generally the rule is that a topic is wikilinked only once per article, even one as long as this. I particularly noticed that Sinn Féin, Michael Collins and UVF were repeatedly linked, and got some of this, but not all.
 * I am not certain that I agree with the off-topic assessment, but as previously mentioned have so far primarily focused on a sentence by sentence edit.
 * the heavy reliance on the BBC documentary has probably helped to make this article much more even-handed than many other articles about sectarian strife, but makes the references harder to verify. Thank you to whoever broke these up by episode, btw, but it would be good to add more print references. There is nothing wrong with using these episodes, at all, as the BBC is an excellent source on the whole and the requirement for sources is only that they be verifiable, not easily verifiable, but given the contentious nature of the topic some more easily-verifiable sources would be good.
 * The “who” tag I left in several places is an objection to the use of such constructions as “It is believed that”, as they can obscure important information about who exactly it is that believes this, perhaps as a result of their own affiliations. These seem to occur primarily where the BBC documentary is cited, and may come from there, but it isn’t enough to just provide a reference that unnamed people believe something. Resolving this will need to be done on a case by case basis, but elsewhere in the article there are discussions of how loyalists or republicans reacted to given events, and these are just fine when referenced. Saying things like “some historians have written”, with a reference, is one way to at least somewhat improve this issue, which may seem like a pedantic quibble but really is not in an article about such painful topics.
 * Also, I assume we are using Irish English for this article, and since I am not from either Ireland or Northern Ireland it is possible that some of the small changes I made of wording that sounded wrong to me (“in” the grounds of city hall to “on” the grounds, for example) might stem from my own unfamiliarity, and if this is the case I have no objection to someone changing these back. Meanwhile I have assumed that overall the preferred spelling of words like “centre” is what I would call British Elinruby (talk) 22:10, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

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English language 206.84.161.18 (talk) 14:53, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

English language
Where we live 206.84.161.18 (talk) 14:53, 3 October 2022 (UTC)