Talk:History of California wine

Merger proposal
Strongly oppose. This is the worst idea for a merger proposal i have ever seen on wikipedia. The Wine Country is a well defined region of the North Bay that is internationally recognized. In addition: Anlace 14:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * the regions of California Wine and Wine Country are not the same.
 * the topic Wine Country has elements of culture, ecology, geology that are unique to Sonoma and Napa Counties
 * the size and scope of Wine Country as a topic is huge and should not be deemed part of an even larger article.

As the user who placed the merge tag has only offered "I believe" as reasons, I propose this tag be removed in 48 hours from both articles if no reasons are forthcoming. A personal belief system is not a reason for merging a major and distinct subject into some over-riding topic. Just like Napa County won't be merged into the California page without good reasons, this merge won't happen without good reason.
 * This is a bit akin to proposing Santa Rosa (California) be merged into California. I'll AGF, but require specific arguments to be forthcoming.
 * This is a WikiWaste of time, if ever there was one, discussing a nonstarter such as this, though. I suggest the person who placed the tags remove them pronto, until he/she comes up with well-articulated reasons for doing away with a topic that garners over a million google hits, and merging it into a separate topic that garners just slightly less google hits.  KP Botany 15:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Lack of google hits is brought up on AfD all the time as a reason for deletion, and Agnes is all for the google hits. If somebody's diary on YouTube garners a million google hits they probably do have an article in Wikipedia.  I bet the tequila gal has an article.  KP Botany 06:48, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

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 * If Wine Country is to remain, it should certainly be renamed to add "California" to the title, to avoid confusion with other uses of the term. I have no view on the merge. --Bduke 00:38, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks as though it has been renamed to Wine Country (California) - a change that I strongly support. No opinion on the merge as I don't know enough about the region. Camw 00:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I was wondering if anyone who has worked on this article knows which portions of this article were cited from the two listed items in the Works Cited. Christopher Tanner, CCC 23:15, 6 April 2007 (UTC)tanner-christopher


 * this article is seriously light on data such as planted acres, tons of harvested grapes, wine produced, etc. Hmoul 18:33, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Some idea
Looking at it now, it is essentially just one big history article with little or no mention of the different wine region, grapes and wine styles. I recommend moving the bulk of the history to a History of California wine article and then refashion this one similar to other state & wine region articles like Washington wine and Loire Valley (wine). AgneCheese/Wine 16:34, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

First Vinyard
I do not believe San Diego had the first vinyard. The fact is unsourced and, I believe, based on the false assumption that since it was the first mission, it had the first vinyard. I've read that the first vinyard and the first winemaking were at San Juan Capistrano. It is not the first mission but I've read that the previous missions imported wine prior to that point. There are also accounts that the Jesuit Father Kino planted a vinyard at the mission at San Bruno in 1683. Of course that mission was abandoned in 1685 and unless he planted mature vines there was probably never a harvest. I'm going to add a sourced account that the first vinyard was mission SJC in 1779. Mamalujo (talk) 19:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

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Some changes
As reading was not easy, I created other subsections in the History section. I hope it helps for identifying historical periods. Also, I removed a paragraph talking about the liquor industry in the US after the repeal because the topic is California Wine, not US liquor. Knewdates (talk) 13:12, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

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