Talk:History of Chinese Americans/Archive 1

Paper sons
A good source on the earthquake and Paper Sons, which is currently redlinked and unsources, would be an NPR story that aired over the weekend of the Executive Director of the Angel Island (something Wong or Huang). Scarykitty (talk) 21:05, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Tell a story
The facts are in there, but it's a bit confused for a quick into to Chinese American history. I'd be looking for something like "The chinese came to Gold Mountain to get rich in the mines and work on the railroads leaving their families at home", and "they set up businesses as laundries and restaurants as they were shut out of jobs by white labor unions" and then "after severe immigrations restrictions of 50 a year, students came to the US in the 1950s", "1965 brought more immigration from more parts of China such as Taiwan", 1980s brought model minority, Vincent Chin" blah blah blah. I just put in the first mention of Chinaman. Bachcell (talk) 18:10, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

What?!
With the passage of the McCarran-Walter Act of 1952, and later the Immigration and Nationality Services Act of 1965. - Ok? What the heck is this incomplete sentence suppose to say? With the passage of those acts, what happened?  Gabr-  el  23:26, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Not sure what happened with that sentence, but apparently it had been like that for a while. Anyway, I've edited the section.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 02:52, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Reason for new POV tag
The opening paragraph - which didn't even mention the California Gold Rush and plunged straight into hard labour and racial discrimination, is clearly WP:SOAP and obsesses about victimization as if that's all Chinese American history were about; I added the bit about Liping Zhu's book about the Idaho mining camps which puts the lie to that very popular myth, but unfortunately googlebooks doesn't have a better preview so page-cites can be provided); even the History of Chinese immigration to Canada article, which is this article's Canadian counterpart, does better than that despite large chunks of it still coming off like political tract. This should be a proper history article, given its title, not a tub-thump.  Sections on each era and balanced facts (not just how bad white people were to Chinese, which is the overall tone of this article at present, as if nothing else happened...). This article needs serious work/upgrading/expanding, but not as a soapbox for grievances; it should be an objective history, as objective as possible given the hysterics and bias in many sources (on both sides).Skookum1 (talk) 20:27, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

It looks like the article was improved, the gold rush is mentioned in the first paragraph for example. The opening is still a little heavy on discrimination, but given the level of discrimination experienced by chinese immigrants in the first wave, that might be acceptable. NPOV does not mean giving every side equal time, plus there does not seem to be any false information. I think Skookum's tone might be a red flag, he seems to have quite a non-NPOV himself. The article could use clean-up, but the POV tag should go. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.28.22.13 (talk) 12:19, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Chinatown: Slumming, Gambling, Prostitution and Opium
This section focuses solely on the controversial, sensational, or objectionable aspects of life in Chinatown and should be removed until it is re-written to give a balanced picture. The section is added by an editor with no user page, whose only edit is this one, and who explains that it gives an "outline of illicit activity." Restricting the coverage to "illicit activity" does not appear to be NPOV. A balanced picture would include churches, commerce, schools, newspapers, restaurants, and family life, among other aspects.

Please forgive me if I have misunderstood. ch (talk) 06:27, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

When were Chinese first excluded from US. naturalization?
The article gives the impression that Chinese immigrants were excluded from U.S. citizenship throughout the 19th century. I don't think this can be true. Yung Wing, born in Zhuhai, was naturalized an American citizen in 1852, only to have his citizenship revoked after the Chinese Exclusion Act was passed. Richard S. Street's Beasts of the Field: A Narrative History of California Farmworkers, 1769-1913, p. 326 also says that the Chinese Exclusion Act "suspended naturalization of any more Chinese," which would seem to be nonsensical if there were no Chinese naturalizations to suspend.

Adding to the confusion, this website claims that the Naturalization Act of 1870 made Chinese ineligible for citizenship, which matches neither with Street nor with this Wikipedia article. The link in this Wikipedia article to the Naturalization Act of 1790 limiting citizenship to white persons says that it was repealed in 1795, as presumably it must have been for Yung Wing to receive his citizenship in 1852.

It seems clear that by 1882 at the latest Chinese were no longer being allowed to naturalize in America, but the situation in between 1795 and 1882 is very confusing. Can anyone clarify the situation?

Pirate Dan (talk) 03:19, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

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Source please
Can anyone provide a source for this statement in the fifth sentence of the article: "...and even church leaders denounced the entrance of these aliens into what was regarded as a land for whites only." It is the source for the 2014 Mainland China-published textbook "American Society and Culture 美国社会与文化" being used in Chinese universities and may well be historically accurate but it would be helpful to know which church leaders, which churches? Presumably not all responded this way since the article also mentions Christian churches presumably helping Chinese-American women leave prostitution, marry Chinese Christians, enter White churches, etc. Sources and specifics would be nice since what is posted on Wikipedia becomes "facts" for textbooks sometimes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.164.86.80 (talk) 05:21, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

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