Talk:History of City of Heroes and City of Villains

In the section on I7, it talks about Trenchcoats being an unknown. With I7 now on Test, this should be able to be confirmed or removed. Someone with access able to go check? (I can't check for quite a few hours.) - TexasAndroid 13:07, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Trenchcoats were added in Issue 7, but only to the Thug Enforcers, with their second upgrade. Dal 04:33, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, are Pirates actually confirmed by a dev as "something they want to do"? - TerminusEst13 7:31 PM (EDT) June 08, 2006
 * They and Carnies have been mentioned by Posi or States on the boards (I think). Ryulong 23:39, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Carnies is something definately confirmed. Pirates, however, I don't think have ever been mentioned. I still remember the exact quote about Carnies (Where it was referred to as a "Carnival" set, rather than Carnies, but I'm not one to split hairs), but I don't think Pirates have ever had anything mentioned aside from a fanbase wishfulness (me included). Time to start lookin' up the logs, yey for board/interview diving. - TerminusEst13 8:01 PM (EDT) June 08, 2006

In case anyone cares, reference added to the Rularuu 'invasion' and the 5th/Council war in the events section. Is there anything else missing? I think thats everything now. rootology 01:09, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for adding that! I didn't remember that.  It's been so long since then (I remember getting my ass handed to me in the middle of the 5th Column/Council war, though). Were there any other major events like those?  A Ritki invasion perhaps? Ryulong 02:42, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope, that's everything now as far as I know... I'll look again, though. I don't think the stuff in Beta for COH/V should count for this as they were closed events and not technically canon... except maybe the COV end of beta one, as they hyped that all over the boards. Let me look it over. rootology 15:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

New Power Sets?
Is there any evidence to Street Fighting, Techno Defense, and Demons as new Power Sets? I don't see anything on the forums for them. Ryulong 20:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd heard of demons only from suggestions (some guy posted a *really* good set, that was Cryptic Level Good, in one post). Nothing else. rootology 22:41, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I remember commenting on a thread about a similar set (and shooting it down because it wasn't anything like the other Mastermind sets, all under the same fan set of "Lycanthropy" [each set didn't have a third tier summon, using a toggle transform instead, and the Demon version of the set had Illusion Control powers]). I'll remove it from the list, but I do remember Street Fighting and Techno Defense being mentioned by Geko (as pointed out by the editor who originally put them in). Ryulong 23:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

hacking incident - 2005?
I think we should make mention of this. Tried searching Dev Digest, directly going through the CJ posts and the COH livejournal community for refs, but no dice. This was notable and should be included. rootology 08:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Found it: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=info&Number=4361331 How to use this best? rootology 08:24, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Er...what happened? I remember that post, but I can't remember what actually had happened. Ryulong 08:26, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * What I remember of it, someone hacked a Dev or GM account, and used it on a couple of servers to taunt the server in admin broadcast, and then shut down the servers a couple of times. Doesn't really seem to fit in here, IMHO, and I'm not sure where else it would be appropriate to go. - TexasAndroid 11:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Added a small, sourced section to the history/updates part of the main COH article. rootology 19:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Eeeeew.  I like that even less.  It seems really out of place there as well.  I'm not set against it being mentioned at all, but both there and here it just does not fit.  Both places are about the content history of the game.  A bit about an external incident like this just doesn't fit in.  As I mentioned above, though, I'm not sure where it would fit in. - TexasAndroid 19:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, now it is listed under the Timeline of Internet conflicts and someone uploaded a nice screenshot to go with it. I think the section should be moved. `~

Reorganizing the "Future Content" Section
After the nasty edit wars I've been having in regards to this article, I'm going to state that I feel that the Future Content section needs a reorganization. Right now, I feel it reads more like a wishlist than a "This is going into the game" list.

I feel there should be three subheadings:

1. Content that is, relatively speaking, firmly considered to be in the next Issue. I realize that the Cryptic dev crew is not fond of giving out specifics until the content is already chosen, but.. Currently, for Issue 8, that is Veteran Rewards, Server Transfer, the Legends System (as it's being called on the boards), and Heroic Newspaper/Mayhem equivalent missions.

2. Content that the devs have said they are "looking into" or "planning" to add into the game, but not given a specific date, nor confirmed as backburnered. Things like new themed MM sets, new Epic ATs (or porting epic ATs over from CoH into CoV), weapon and power customization, and the pistols powerset.

3. Content that the devs have said they would like to add, but have had to backburner - things like Skills, character crossover (also known as redemption or corruption), and perhaps other things.

Right now, we have "stuff that some dev has said they would like to add" and "stuff players might have heard might be added". I don't feel this is very factual or encyclopedic at the moment. Dal 04:33, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I've generally been staying out of the format war between you and Ryulong, not having a strong opinion on that part of the subject. But I would like to add a couple of things about your I8 list.
 * Last I've heard on Server Transfer, CuppaJo posted that she hoped it would be ready for I8. Unless there is something else posted since then, I would not yet consider that firm for I8.
 * I've read nothing of the Hero equiv of Newspapaer missions being in I8. I know this is a "looking into", but where have the devs said it is confirmed for I8? - TexasAndroid 13:23, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought it was, somewhere. Oi.  Guess I'm wrong on that one.  Dal 16:15, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * After looking around, apparently there's a Cuppajo interview that confirms that the devs are working on "Bringing villain exclusive elements over to heroes" - I presume that includes mayhem missions and newspaper missions. Character transfer is, you are correct, a "we hope" subject.  Same interview says "No Warshades for villains". Dal 18:21, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That's odd... Usually the devs don't contradict each other...most of the time. Posi said that they were "looking into" implimenting Warshades for villains, and unless they've decided to be sneaky and say "Warshades won't be for Villains" when they mean that they will be renaming them. Ryūlóng 20:33, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It was explicit - "No Warshades or Nictus equivalents will be villainside". It is possible that they "looked into" it and decided that the story of the Nictus would not mesh well with the entire Project destiny thing.  Dal 22:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, then I've added the ambiguous "Epic AT for Villains before the retail expansion" thing, as they will more than likely have one under "possible" content. Ryūlóng 22:57, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Although I'm not sure about the weapon/power customization being pending... Can you link to the CuppaJo interview? Ryūlóng 22:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not the cuppajo interview I reference for the Power/Weapon customization being a Pending sort of thing, it's the various other dev interviews where they've stated multiple times "We are working on this, but have no firm date on it and it's an uphill battle to get it to work". The cliff notes for the interview are at http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=6122770&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1#Post6132004#6122770 - no transcript, but I'm sure that the audio interview is findable elsewhere or the transcript will make the boards soon.  Dal 23:21, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah...it was an audio interview. Danke, though. Ryūlóng 23:39, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Note: In regards to my additon of Nictus, again, this was mentioned on the w00t radio interview with Posi 26. Epic Archetypes: Incarnates? They are planned as an Epic, dont know when yet. They dont fit into the current storyline. It will be first Epic after Nictus for COV! Confirmed, Nictus are confirmed as a lvl 50 villain Epic! They will be like warshades, but an evil version of a peacebringer, with some power tweaks.
 * Mmm.. I heard it a bit differently - that there would be a version of a PB, and a version of the WS - that they'd be separate.  Dal 04:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It probably is. I'm only going off on what they said in that first post. However, many others agree that they said "Nictus and evil Peacebringers" and not "Nictus that are like evil Peacebringers". Ryūlóng 05:15, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Full Vet Reward details
I think that this level of detail is going a bit too far. We are approaching fancruft, IMHO, with this level of detail. It's already at least 1/5 of the row-space of the article, and it's only going to grow larger as further levels are announced. And, in general, I'm really not certain that any of this detail adds anything encyclopedic to the article. My preference would be to return to just a couple of bullet points of the top items, and let that be it. - TexasAndroid 17:06, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep, cut that down quite a bit. The badges and other stuff was way too crufty; just stating the central reward is good enough. Ryūlóng 21:55, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Winter Event 2006
I added a a bullet with some summary details. Do folks think a link to the paragonwiki page on this subject would be in order ? Catwhoorg 17:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I would be inclined to say no. As much as I like ParagonWiki, we've been making an effort here on the Wikipedia CoH pages to keep links to CoH fansites to a minimum.  Once we start allowing them, we either have to pick and choose which we allow, or allow them all.  And both of those options have unpleasent ramification.  So in general we keep a single link on the main CoH page to the Fansite Portal, and that's about it. - TexasAndroid 18:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * righto. thats why I asked first instaed of adding directly.24.30.85.99 21:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC) - This was added by me Sorry didnt realsie i wasnt logged in. Catwhoorg 21:24, 18 December 2006 (UTC)