Talk:History of Georgia (U.S. state)

Pre-Columbian
The image used for Mississippian Culture creates a really biased image of life at the time. Although human sacrifice (which is the impression given by the image) did happen it was really rare. A photo of a mound-site would be much better suited. Also, Georgia has a rich history during the Hopwell period. It would be good to have a little bit on that. Georgia is also the home of the first pottery in North America, fiber tempered pots from Stallings Island.

European exploration
It might be interesting to note, the Modern Razor Back pigs of South Georgia are descended from the escaped pigs of DeSoto. Besides a dangerous invasive pest they spread European disease far inland which aided in the eventual collapse of the Chiefdom States.

Also, the slaves did not come from warring groups, but Jamestown hired groups from the interior of the continent. Its very similar to slaver and imperialism tactics used on the African continent by Europeans.

County count
"The original eight counties of Georgia were Burke, Camden, Chatham, Effingham, Glynn, Liberty, and Richmond."

Are we missing a county?

— DLJessup (talk) 22:01, 12 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Yep. Wilkes County, Georgia was left out.170.140.124.75 18:20, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

- Dont forget Gwinnet It's the bestest

Martin Luther King Jr. and Jackie Robinson
Martin Luther King Jr. is one of the most famous people who grew up in Georgia, Martin fought for racial equality, which is why blacks can now go to the same schools as whites, drink from the same fountin, shop in the same stores, and sit in the same theatres. Many other people tried to accomplish such, none were successful until Martin Luther King Jr. came along.

Jackie Robinson was the first black person allowed to play major league baseball, he also was born in Georgia. Today, many black people are involed in major sports such as baseball. Jackie Robinson fought to play in what he loved, baseball. He dreamed of playing in the major leagues, which is exactly what he did.

People like these are leaders, not followers, they've tought us a lesson, be a leader and fight for what you believe in. Fought for the rights of african american people.

Yes, Martin was the best man that ever fought for civil rights. Have you ever heard of Julian Bond? He was a leader too. Julian Bond ♥Smartie960♥ (Chatter Box) 21:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Boundaries
The article doesn't explain how the present western and southern boundaries were set. -- Beland 10:52, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

opinion or fact
"Ultimately, the colony was not founded by or for debtors, although the misconception of Georgia having been founded as a debtor or penal colony persists. "

this need to be backed up with a source YO im a student of georgia history so tell me why did thay stop 3 classes to put in this crap thay took out shop computer resorsis and drama wich is for quiers eany way so tell me why thay did it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.85.101.211 (talk) 21:38, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what that dude is talking about, but I would also like to see a citation for this statement. Less to validate it as much as to know a source to find elaborations on the claim. The word "misconception" itself denotes a lack of common knowledge and demands sourcing. noit (talk) 16:42, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Lynching of Leo Frank
I deleted reference linking this to war in Europe, not supported by any sources. --Parkwells (talk) 19:10, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion
I recently switched template:Texas History to be based on template:Region history. Ideally it would be nice for all the state history infoboxes to be based off the same base template in order to gain some consistency.

Would anybody be opposed to doing something like the following?

--Mcorazao (talk) 17:30, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * that's an interesting good idea--but of course every state will have a very different outline and thosde will change as text is added. Rjensen (talk) 17:34, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * ? template: Region history doesn't require any particular timeline organization (or any timeline at all). What is the concern? --Mcorazao (talk) 01:50, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Penal Colony
"The misconception of Georgia's having been founded as a debtor or penal colony persists due to the numerous English convicts who were sentenced to transportation to Georgia."


 * LOL...I should think that the author of this article could come up with something better than this thoroughly asinine denial of Georgia's past. It's the same mentality that insists that the Civil War wasn't about slavery, but "states' rights," which, of course, was the right to keep slaves! Danwaggoner (talk) 04:30, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Basis for Civil Rights movement
I am not an expert in the actual details of how the Civil Rights movement started. It was hardly WWII, where all Afro-Americans were very segregated, just as they were everywhere else, though less up north. But most training bases for Georgians enlistees/draftees would have been in the segregated South. The military, too, was very segregated if only because they had Southern whites in preferred positions. While there were a few bright spots like the Tuskegee Airmen, most had "entry-level" jobs. Except for the Airmen, there were nearly no officers, and few NCOs. I am removing all of this since it comes without citation and is counter-historical. Student7 (talk) 21:54, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * yes the military was segregated & I changed the article to say that. Most RS say it was the returning WW2 veterans that largely formed the civil rights movement. For the first time ever a large black population had seen the world--and received equal pay, uniforms etc as whites (but lower promotion rates). Cites: (1) "Returning black veterans energized the civil rights movement and demanded equal treatment for themselves and their families." [Thomas, Deluxe Jim Crow (2011) p 170]; (2) "The dissonance between the idealistic rhetoric of World War II and the racist reality of 1940s America created the new militance among black veterans that spurred the early civil rights movement." [Estes 2007 p 35]; (3) "Black veterans transformed the civil rights movement and the debate over the future of African Americans in two key ways. In one important respect, ex-GIs gave credibility to advocates of equality...." [Gambone (2005) p 127]; (4) "in examining the importance of ex-servicemen in civil rights activism in Mississippi during the postwar era, John Dittmer writes that black veterans were 'the shock troops of the modern civil rights movement.'" [Saxe (2007) p 158]; (5) "veterans [in Georgia] thus provided the groundwork for an effective civil rights movement," [Pencak (2009) 1:28]. etc etc. Rjensen (talk) 01:24, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

J. D. Hall also argues for a study of the «Long Civil Rights Movement» (that starts before the «classical» CRM of 1954-1965 and goes beyond it). I preach for my own parish as I am presently working on the Civil Rights movement during the Second World War. It is not as historiographically documented as the more conventional 1954-1965 period, but it does not mean that it was a meaningless period whatsoever. I would like to add that: The NAACP organized a voter registration drive following the 1946 Supreme Court decision Smith v. Allwright. is incorrect and should be changed to following the 1944 Supreme Court decision. -Graduate Student from Université de Montréal who did not want to bother signing up to edit a simple sentence — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.57.93.85 (talk) 20:59, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Sun Belt growth and the New Right
"With the advantages of cheap real estate, low taxes, Right-to-work laws and a regulatory environment limiting government interference, the Atlanta metropolitan area became a national center of..." This reads like GOP-inspired propaganda. It would be as if I credited Chicago's success to "managed growth, a progressive tax structure, strong unions, and a regulatory environment encouraging active governance". Would that not sound like I was a shill for Democratic Party positions in an encyclopedia? I move that the first part of this sentence be stricken for biased language. Lothar76 (talk) 05:32, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * the policies mentioned were bipartisan --mostly pushed before 1990s by Democrats such as Gov Jimmy Carter. Rjensen (talk) 19:31, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I would have to agree with Rjensen on this one. During that period, both Republicans and conservative Georgia Democrats had fairly similar views on the issues of taxes, right-to-work, and limited government. Gulbenk (talk) 02:47, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Changes to Lede
Hello Rjensen. Your revert of my recent edit, and the brief explanation given, does not seem to make sense. (1) The statement that the civil rights movement "had a strong role in the state" is meaningless. If you must insert something in that space, perhaps a more specific statement, borrowed from the Civil Rights section, would work. Your (edit 1) is meaningless, and should be removed. (2) You state that "Due to disfranchisement of African-Americans around the start of the 20th century..." Georgia was a Democratic stronghold in presidential elections until 1964. What does this mean? That African-Americans would have voted Republican, but couldn't? Or that the Democratic party was the party of Disenfranchisement...or something else? In your brief comments, you acknowledge that the real reason Georgians voted Democratic was due in part to anti-Republican sentiment (which I attribute to the civil war/reconstruction experience) but you give this reasonable explantion no place in your oddly worded edit. Your (edit 2) is both vague and incomplete, and should be removed. (3) To the sentence "Georgia was a Democratic stronghold in presidential elections until 1964" you tack on "and the passage of federal civil rights legislation." By this, and by your statement in (2), do you intend to say that Georgians supported the Democratic party when it supported disenfranchisement, and left the Democratic party when it supported federal civil rights legislation? That arguement is not made in the body of the article. Since the purpose of the lede is to summarize the article, not to make an unsupported statement, your (edit 3) should be removed. Gulbenk (talk) 23:57, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Rjensen To amplify my point, in opposition to your (edit 3), I highlight this reference from the main article: Boyd, Tim S.R. Georgia Democrats, the Civil Rights Movement, and the Shaping of the New South (University Press of Florida; 2012) 302 pages; rejects the "white backlash" model of the decline of the Democratic party in Georgia; blames factional disputes. It is a reference that you added, earlier this year.Gulbenk (talk) 17:25, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Politics in the lead
Does anyone else find it odd that the lead ends with a brief mention of Georgia post-1950, most of which summarizes which way voters leaned during political elections? I find this highly unusual to appear within the summary of a state that has been around for 281 years, especially that it implies that that's the most important thing from the last 60 years. Does anyone strongly disagree with relocating that information? Jami430 (talk) 04:12, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Timeline of Georgia
Any interest in creating a Timeline of Georgia (U.S. state) article? A few other U.S. states have timelines (see Category:Timelines of states of the United States). Here are some sources: -- M2545 (talk) 05:50, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

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