Talk:History of Honduras

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In my opinion, the info about the modern Presidents should be in their own articles, which mostly don't have the detail found here; a much broader outline of these events should be treated here, --SqueakBox 22:09, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)

Effect of US Policy on Honduras
The effect of U.S. policy on Honduras is barely mentioned here. I don't know the facts well enough to put anything in, but it really should be included. I'm speaking specifically about the CIA funding of the revolutionaries in many Central American countries. The article says something about the Sandinistas and Nicaragua, but that's it. I've also seen mentioned that the U.S. presence was maintained in Honduras until the same time that José Azcona del Hoyo took office, but what's the connection? --aciel 22:56, 26 October 2005 (UTC)


 * The only thing is, how is that relevant? This is an article on the history of Honduras, not an article on the effects of US Policy on Honduras. If that is your concern, you could start a separate article I suppose. However, unless it was devastating and a major event in its history, it really isn't something that should be included in any great detail in this article. MagnoliaSouth 22:26, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Plagiarism - Suazo
I haven't checked the rest of the sections, but this one appears to be plagiarised from the U.S. State Department. In particular see the last sentence of the first paragraph of the Suazo section and the first sentence of the next paragraph. The whole thing is just a bit too close for comfort. --aciel 23:13, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

The whole set of standard Honduras articles other than Honduras itself are pretty poor affairs whose foundations were clearly built from US State dept copyright free material. I will try to do something about it, but can't promise anything very quick, SqueakBox 23:30, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

I removed the copyvio because whatever else State Department material may be it is copyright free, and used extensively in Wikipedia. I do agree with the sentiments entirely. I have removed some of the worst but thoroughly agree about it needing other sources, some of which, of course, we already have in wikipedia itself, SqueakBox 00:01, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Even if it's not a copyright violation it's still very frowned upon to use the exact wording of another source without citing it. Even if it's public domain. Someone else wrote that. Put it in quotation marks, or paraphrase it, but regardless, you need parenthetical citations. I've added a references section to the bottom of the page with the link to the original source, but it still needs the inline citations. Please see Cite your sources. --aciel 01:29, 27 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Plagiarism is the wrong word here. I think "inadequately sourced" would be more accurate. In the academic world, plagiarism is an offense against ethics and a plagiarism charge can be used to end someone's career.


 * We are all amateurs here (or credentialed experts posting anonymously), so there are no careers at stake. The remedy is simply to provide the source. If the entire article was copied and pasted from a US government website, we should say so. They deserve the credit (or blame) for doing the research and so forth. --Uncle Ed 18:15, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


 * > Plagiarism is the wrong word here.
 * I fully agree with you. It's not a copyright violation. I like the tag which is at the bottom of the article now because it states it clearly. MagnoliaSouth 22:31, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Negroponte
Is this an article about the History of Honduras or an article of casting John Negroponte in the worst light possible? CJK 23:32, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, the information should (if any) be part of the Negroponte article. As of today there were about 30 text lines which describe the history of Honduras. From the Mayas all the way the 1950's (10 centuries maybe?).  While Negroponte has 50 lines related to him in the article for a period of a few years.  I vote for deletion, or a drastic modification of the content. Wikihonduras 17:23, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I actually find this part is quite interesting - but I don't really understand what it is about. I don't know Honduran history at all, so I can just suspect some interest here, but I would actually like to know WHY Mister Negroponte acted like this, and what exactly happened these times (in most of the articles, there is information about 'human rights abuses', which is simply too neutral - who abused who and why?). If there would be a paragraph clarifying these general informations, I think the part about Negroponte could stay there... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.38.239.185 (talk) 22:15, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Did Cortés go to Honduras in 1524?
The article on Cristóbal de Olid (who is currently not mentioned in the Spanish period section) doesn't mention any arrival of Hernán Cortés in 1524. It says Cortés sent Francisco de Las Casas. Wikipeditor 18:23, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * That is correct, but not the whole story. Here's what happened. If you want details, they're in Cortes' fifth letter to the King, and other assorted documents.  In 1523 Cortes dispatches Olid in 4 ships, with about 300 men, to conquer Honduras for Cortes. Olid stops in Cuba for supplies along the way and is alleged to have been subverted by Diego de Velasquez, Cuba's governor and Cortes' political enemy.  Olid goes off to Honduras, founds Triunfo de la Vera Cruz (near Tela) and settles down near Trujillo.  In 1524, Cortes hears about Olid's defection, and sends Las Casas by ship to straighten things out.  Las Casas gets shipwreced off Yucatan, and arrives in Honduras by walking and moving along the coast by canoe, only to be taken prisoner by Olid.  At the same time, in 1524, Cortes sets off overland to reach Honduras and take control of it.  He arrives in late 1524 or early 1525 (not sure of the dating), but by the time he arrives, Olid is already dead, and Las Casas and Saavedra are in control of the colony at Trujillo and a few Spanish settlers at Naco.  Cortes founds two towns, La Natividad, near Puerto Caballos, which at that time was a place, not a town, and Trujillo, leaves orders for their operation and governance, and returns to Mexico in 1525.  All told Cortes is in Honduras for less than 6 months.  The Olid article is correct as far as it goes, it just leaves important details out.  Rsheptak 23:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot for your reply! Wikipeditor 18:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Number of Rebellions in the country
The article cites the following: "Honduras has had 300 internal rebellions, civil wars, and changes of government--more than half occurring during the 20th century"

Two things I'd like to point out.

First, if this is correct the 20th century had more than 150 rebellions, civil wars etc, or 1.5 per year for every year. Just if you take the last 20 years of the 20th century, even if you count the democratically elected governments as "changes" this would make only 5, so it would leave 145+ in 80 years (1900-1981) or almost 2 per year. Does this number seem accurate?

Second, the whole statement that half of the rebellions happened in the 20th century...What is the point? Since 1821 or 186 years of independence, 100 of them (years) or 54% were in the 20th century. Shouldn't then 50% be the expected value anyway? Wikihonduras 21:41, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * After four months tagged the statement was removed. Wikihonduras 20:21, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Timeline?
I'd like to suggest that we uncollapse the Timeline back into its own page...I can't see having both the Timeline and the History on the same page. Its visually confusing, and the Timeline, once actually finished and elaborated, will take up lots of vertical space, so that the average user will never scroll to the actual history. Other opinions? Rsheptak 21:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Unreferenced
Much of the article is unreferenced. The article has been tagged since February 2007 - unreferenced content must be cleaned up per WP:V.Luis Napoles (talk) 11:37, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism
There appears to be some vandalism on this page. I'll go ahead and clean it up. --PikachuGyeong (talk) 23:01, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

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refimprove
Almost word for word out of the country study. Not a bad source and I believe the copyright is free if the US government is an author, but surely there are other sources. We should include them Elinruby (talk) 02:00, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Hernando Saavedra
The link in the article "Cortes appointed Hernando de Saavedra governor of Honduras" leads to a completely unrelated person who wasn't born till 40 years later than the event described, and was based in the Rio de La Plata area.

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