Talk:History of Kansas

Flowery
This language of this article is, shall we say, a bit flowery for an encyclopedia. "The sweet assuring smile of peace fell on Kansas..."?


 * Isn't there a "sweet assuring smile of peace" in the heartland ... ;-] ... JDR


 * Sounds like cribbing from an unidentified source.

4.249.63.20 (talk) 13:02, 23 September 2010 (UTC)


 * The opening (preceding the paragraph beginning "Located on the eastern ...") is what passes for history only in the minds of people who devise license-plate slogans. A real historian doesn't believe there is any such thing as "the Kansas Spirit". A real historian believes that there is stuff that happened in Kansas and people who did that stuff. It's not good or bad or grandiose or inspiring, it is merely nothing less and nothing more than what happened.74.64.104.99 (talk) 20:46, 30 April 2019 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson
 * I don’t know enough Kansas history to rewrite it. If you do I’d suggest you WP:Be Bold and change it! Grey Wanderer (talk) 22:40, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The idea of a "spirit of Kansas' is from a highly regarded essay by a highly regarded real genuine historian's historian Carl L. Becker--he taught at U Kansas for years before going to the Ivy League and training many scholars.  Several biographies have been written. In the American National Biography (1999) we learn that in 1910: he published an essay entitled “Kansas” .... That essay, reprinted often, captured the essence of a state peopled by New England immigrants who withstood the battles over slavery during the bloody 1850s and emerged triumphant, the embodiment of the state’s motto: ad astra per aspera. Yet Kansas also seemed parochial to Becker, a place where everyone conformed to certain norms and where “freaks are raised for export only.” Rjensen (talk) 23:45, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Troubles in Kansas
The "Troubles in Kansas" section mentions that Indians are still roaming, plundering, and murdering our pioneers in Kansas today.

Call me crazy, but perhaps this should go in past tense.


 * Yep ... I don't think the Injuns are roaming, plundering, and murdering anyone ... JDR 15:01, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Originality of content
I doubt the content of this article is original or rephrased. It seems a bit of a cut-and-paste dealio. I'd like the author to confirm it's originality, or do a better citation of it's source lest we suffer the plague of plagurism! --Duemellon 18:49, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

No plagurism ... the article began with Cutler's 1883 text (public domain). JDR 15:01, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Patowamie Masscare
Has it's own page. I suggest we move the bit about it to that page & reduce this page's explanation (as the stub-article is pretty small). However, I'm a bit hesitant to do it myself as I have just noted I'm concerned this might be a copy-paste article. --Duemellon 18:49, 27 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Cutler's 1883 text is in the public domain.
 * I moved, IIRc, the text. JDR 15:01, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Fort Leavenworth
To the anonymous user, please note the Fort Leavenworth is already mentioned in the article; you keep adding text that is an exact duplicate of text found four paragraphs above. That is why I deleted it. Kgwo1972 19:58, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Bogardus Massacre
I am very new here. However, should we forget the Bogardus Massacre? How does one include it without stepping on the original work?

http://www.lasr.net/pages/city.php?Beloit&Kansas&City_ID=KS0806003&VA=Y&Attraction_ID=KS0806003a008

This would be your reference: Bell-Bogardus Indian Massacre and Cemetery, August 12, 1868. Put the info @ Solomon River (Kansas) or at Willow Springs (Beloit, Kansas) or here in the proper timeline. State that the Arapahos and Cheyennes attacked the settlers. The massacre victims were buried in Bell Bogardus Massacre Cemetery on West Asher Creek near the Asherville Township, section 21-7-6 (close to 30 rods north of the section line near Old Highway 24). You could also note that the Bell Bogardus Massacre Cemetery in Mitchell County was the first one in the county. J. D. Redding 19:27, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Nicodemus
I changed the wording in the Exoduster section to correct the misinformation on the town of Nicodemus. Nicodemus was not founded by the Exodusters. The Exodusters arrived in Kansas in 1879, two full years after the 1877 founding of Nicodeums. The town of Nicodemus was an organized settlement that came to Kansas directly from Kentucky, whereas the Exoduster Movement was unorganized from many parts of the South. Plus, the Exodusters were dirt poor and had no money to start a town on their own. Read any of the academic references listed on the Nicodemus, Kansas page for confirmation of this. StudierMalMarburg 18:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Nero Mammoths
Hi guys,

I sort of have a question for you!

This sentence appears on History of Kansas and History of Arizona: In a sense, the hunters who pursued the Nero mammoths may have represented the first of north Great plains cycle of boom and bust, relentlessly exploiting the resources until it has been depleted or destroyed.

Now, here is my question: what on earth were Nero Mammoths? The only places on the web were these poor beasts are mentioned are... History of Kansas and History of Arizona!

Thank you for answering or commenting... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.254.71.2 (talk • contribs) 14:33, August 16, 2007 (UTC)
 * I have changed the term to mammoths and left a note at User talk:Reddi asking for clarification. Flyguy649 talk contribs 16:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I would have done that myself but I prefer not to contribute in a non-mother language. I left a note to Reddi myself before. This is weird, the whole think doesn't sound like Reddi coined the term himself, but Nero mammoth are truely inconnus au bataillon! Thank you anyway, Hervé 194.254.71.2 07:23, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Yep ... don't know about the "nero mammoths" ... there were mammoths though ... must have slipped though ... thanks for the catch. The hunters did pursued the mammoths ... and it may have represented the first of north Great plains cycle ... I'll see if I can get a references for it ... till then it can stay out ... J. D. Redding 15:03, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Map
Here's an interesting map (File:UnitedStatesExpansion.png) that shows historical territorial expansion of the United States of America. It might be an alternate map for the article. • Sbmeirow  •  Talk  • 21:34, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

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Added new information
I added information about the ancient Wichita city of Etzanoa in present day Arkansas City, Kansas. I even cited a source for the information and the archaeological research.Epictrex (talk) 18:57, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * A brief overview and mention of Etzanoa would be appropriate here, with a link to the article about the site. But that's not what you did, you copy and pasted the entire Etzanoa article here.


 * First, you can not just copy and paste an entire tangentially related article into another article, as it violates a number of policies here. It strips author information from text added by other editors.
 * Second, THERE WAS NOT ONE CITATION OR REFERENCE IN THAT TEXT AT ALL. So not only did you copy and paste an article, you took the time to strip out all of the references when you did. Go here, WP:CITE, read this page. Citations are those little bits of code with titles, authors, publishers, and often url links, to said reference publications. They look something like this: when viewed in edit mode. That is a citation for a book. That's what we are asking for. Unless it is formatted someh8itng like this, it is not referenced. If you go here Citation templates, you can see a number of templates for how to cite books, journals, websites, etc.  He  iro  19:59, 9 April 2021 (UTC)