Talk:History of Lindy Hop

PlainJane 08:47, 20 April 2006 (UTC) this is only a first draft of the article which will eventually replace the lengthy 'history' sections of the main lindy hop article. I will delete those history sections from that article.

Untitled
This article needs some serious expanding in the 'Dean Collins and the West Coast' section - I know next to nothing about this period.

Please add comments and feedback - esp let me know if I've taken too great a liberty with such a substantial reworking of the lindy hop article. :)

Article title
I moved the article from "Lindy Hop history", as I have with many others - lindy hop is not a proper name, and like jazz, samba, blues etc. should AFAIK not be unnecessarily capitalised. However, I think most articles on the history of things are named on the form "History of X". For now I created a redirect from history of lindy hop, but maybe the article should actually be moved there. // Habj 09:22, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I was going to make a similar comment. Every history article on wikipedia I've seen is "History of ...".  I.e. I support a move.--Koeppen 11:49, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Info without a home
This article has some really interesting information that is probably better suited to another article. I wanted to put start a section here in case someone wanted to take these kinds of things out, put it back in, move it, or just have it around. But it's an entire paragraph that doesn't directly pertain to the history of lindy hop. (Maybe "history of jazz music"?)--Koeppen 05:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * "The white reworking of black art was echoed in the music of the day, with artists such as Cab Calloway and Duke Ellington working in clubs such as the Cotton Club often required to compose and perform music in shows with decidedly racist overtones. Despite their reluctance to perform this material, artists such as Calloway and Ellington owe much of their success in both black and white communities around the world to their stints with these sorts of establishments, the live broadcasts of these performances and subsequent recording contracts, all of which brought them to wider audiences."

Here's another. It was on its own line and is too vague to be worthwhile. But maybe someone can elaborate on how the end of Prohibition directly affected lindy hoppers?
 * Prohibition ended in 1933. These and other events sparked a change in a generation of musicians and dancers.

Good idea, Koeppen (and excellent editing of the article - want to help me edit my disseration...? ;) ). PlainJane 09:43, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

The Whole Picture
Certainly there's more information from this Era, right? In my quest for lindy images, almost all the ones I've been finding are in the 1940s. Was lindy/jitterbug just incredibly mainstream by then?--Will.i.am 00:25, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


 * One other thing that jitterbuzz article says is that "Lindy Hop passed from the American scene when the music stopped having eight beats per measure (about 1957)."  Any idea if that's true?--Will.i.am 09:02, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure if the two facts are necessarily related (though of course changes in music resulted in changes in dancing). I think it's perhaps more useful to think of lindy as declining in popularity or perhaps lindy as changing to suit the newer music (rock n roll etc), and evolving into a new dance form ('rock n roll'). PlainJane 01:31, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Do we go into earlier dances and jazz influence on the world like Irene and Vernon Castle and their relationship with James Reese Europe in WWI?
 * Should we expand on the Filipino-Americans, and Chinese-American dancers?
 * Do we need more about the Pachucos, Western Swing and Rock and Roll in the 1950s?
 * What about Europeans in Europe dancing? Swinginginair (talk) 17:48, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The stories about Europe in the 1970s and how they have a model that they brought to the U.S., in the revival of the Neo-Swing era is important. As well as how the Mexican American and rockabilly scene formed. It is written in Razabilly. Swinginginair (talk) 11:54, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, Mama Lou kept the Harvest Moon Ball afloat after the Savoy Ballroom closed in 1958. The Savoy had traditionally hosted the preliminary rounds of the Lindy Hop competition. When the ballroom closed, Parks took it upon herself to run the prelims at an alternate venue. Later, when the organizers of the official Harvest Moon Ball cancelled the Lindy Hop division of their event entirely, Mama Lou Parks connected her prelims with Germany's World Federation of Rock 'n' Roll Swing competition and rebranded her annual contest as an 'International Ball (Swing Dance, Stevens, 157). Thats important. Swinginginair (talk) 12:08, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Editing this article
I've gone through and tidied up some written expression, as well as sorting out some spurious references. I've used Stearns and Stearns for most of this, though Malone has some interesting information to add. I've cut out the bit about cats corner, though I'll add it back in as soon as I can. PlainJane 05:02, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Old photographs
The quest for old lindy images goes on. If anyone wants to see some really cool old (1938-1939) photos of lindy/jitterbug, the LA Public Library has some stellar ones. Just search their photo collection for keword "jitterbug" — lindy won't get you any hits. Unfortunately they do not grant Wikipedia permission to use their images (I already asked, they were nice about saying "No."), but it's a wonderful view into the history of lindy.--Will.i.am 02:00, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

There were some photos of African American dancers taken for that issue of Life magazine that would be great - I think it was Al Minns? I'm not sure. I don't have time to look atm, but if someone else does, it would be neat to have some photos of black dancers doing this African American dance! PlainJane 08:25, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * If they were for Life magazine, there are probably copyrights on those photographs. It will be harder to get permission to put them on Wikipedia. --Cswrye 14:38, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately there's a dearth of photos from Lindy's earliest days (pre-1938) in all the public domain places I've looked and most are still restricted via copyright. What about some screenshots of old movies that featured African American dancers?  I thought that some of those might qualify as fair-use, we'd just have to find them.--Will.i.am 04:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Reference
Does someone have a link for the NCLS workshop interview in 2002? I tried to find it today but only came up with the Jazz transcript interview from 1997.--Will.i.am 20:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Possible newsreel of Shorty George naming the dance
There is possibly a newsreel that supports George Snowden's story about him naming the dance during a dance marathon. If anyone happens to be nearby the University of South Carolina (in Columbia, SC), you may want to check on the FOX Movietone News video entitled "MVTN C 4980: Couple Dance on Way to Get Marriage License". I believe the film is still not transferred to video, so you'll probably need to call first and request that that be done before it can be viewed. (See the article's notes section for details about this.) –panda (talk) 17:30, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Popularity in Germany Today
I see that lindy swing is quite the in-thing in modern Germany of 2007-2008. I think a section should be created to address the international lindy scene. Maybe someone with some knowledge of this subject should examine the current situation in Germany and present details. How does the popularity and nature of swing dancing in Germany compare with the neo-swing revival in America of 1998-2000?
 * Wikipedia requires content to come from verifiable sources, so please only add content based on things like newspaper reports, not just personal observations. That being said, what your talking about, under the current article organization, would be more appropriate for the article Lindy Hop today. -Verdatum (talk) 22:42, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Merging the history content
The organization of content in this article seems to be very different from that of the history section of the Lindy Hop article. Each article contains unique information regarding the history. This needs to be merged together and placed in this article, so the history section of the main article can be made to conform to WP:SUMMARY. I'll see what I can do about this. -Verdatum (talk) 22:45, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * FYI, there is discussion of my edits related to this task at Talk:Lindy Hop. -Verdatum (talk) 20:33, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this here. We had a similar situation in the Maasi article, which an adjunct "Maasia culture". Neither article was over long. Someone else proposed that they be merged, and that's what happened. I don't know this for sure, but my guess is that in the past the main Lindy article was used, inititally, as a pseudo what's happening site. (note that there is still a fair amount of unreferenced material). I don't understand why there is a separate article for "History", and I would support a merge, if for no other reason than the fact that one synomym for encyclopedic is comprehensive. Steve Pastor (talk) 20:36, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Based on the talkpage at Lindy hop, and the comment at the begining of this talkpage, it appears this page was created in order to WP:SPINOUT the history section, as it was becoming overlong according to WP:SIZE. Back when the lindy hop article also contained content now in Lindy Hop today, it was quite a bit longer.  Remerging this content into the main article is not entirely out of the question.  However, I am against it.  The history of Lindy Hop appears to be rich and well documented such that it can stand as a fine article on it's own.  Also, if the articles grow in the future, and it seems there is plenty of content that could be added, the size could once again reach thresholds forcing it just to be split off yet again.  Most importantly, by moving off the history, the main article can be left to focus more detail on the dance itself, which I feel the article desperately needs.  the WP:SUMMARY of the history in the main article allows those who come to the article hoping to learn other aspects of the topic can be given a concise summary of the history so they may choose to follow the link for greater detail, or continue on to the other sections of the article without having to scroll through a massive chunk. -Verdatum (talk) 20:58, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

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Can we please move this to Lindy Hop 2604:CA00:14C:2EF8:0:0:A62:A0CC (talk) 00:33, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

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