Talk:History of Nepal

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NPOV issues
I couldn't help but notice that the fourth introductory paragraph seems horribly biased. I'm tempted to just remove it, but just wanted to see if there were other ideas for dealing with it. Dsprag (talk) 00:10, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I have to agree. Nepal is generally not regarded in a civilizational manner nor is it seen as a successor state to any ancient states. So it is quite pointless to talk of Nepal being "sovereign" or "independent" in pre-medieval times such as the Mauryan era. There was no Nepal to speak of then. I'm removing the second paragraph in its entirety as it clearly has national & revisionist/irredentist biases in claiming Nepal has always existed and has always been independent. It even directly conflicts with Wikipedia's own articles on the Mauryan empire and the history of Tibet, which clear show the area of modern-day Nepal within the Murayan and Tibetan empires' territory. 128.174.114.1 (talk) 03:57, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Request for external link addition

 * I would like to make a formal request to add http://www.celtickane.com/projects/nepal.php to the external links section of this page. It is my own website, so I wouldn't like to add it myself, but I would prefer that someone else review the website, and make the decision to add it.  I think the conspiracy of the massacre in Nepal in 2001 is an important part of Nepal's history, and should be added to the page in some way. --Sugarskane 03:48, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Interesting website, Sugarskane! BTW, King Mahendra had two wives, both sisters. All this children were by the first wife, but she tragically died in a hunting accident. Mahendra then married her sister Ratna. I'm not sure if she was still alive up to the time of the massacre. Anyhow the massacre was practically MacBeth in our time, surely worthy of a commemorative play or opera. 76.80.9.100 20:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Any idea what happened in Nepal between the 8th and 18th centuries ? Jay 16:32, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * This is public domain, if you are anyone else is interested: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/nptoc.html. --Jiang 16:34, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)

nepal name was netrapal after the name of king — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.243.197.9 (talk) 16:41, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

history of nepal, many misconceptions.
the article about history of rulers of nepal is quite questionable and many of the unlikely events have been included without any credibility. i have noticed a trend in these articles where the author(s) seem to be praising and trying to link the lineage of some some clans in nepal with the ancient rulers of India. the statement that the royal family of nepal are decendents of rajput is quite unlikely. it is more probable that the royal family and the long associated courtiers have tried to do so by bending the history so as to show a false connection to ancient royal lineage. as far as any recorded history goes, Shahs were at first the kings of Lamjung, a small village in central nepal. (probably a more likely event would be the ancestors of present day shah rulers of nepal started as powerful village chieftains or tribe leaders who managed to acquire an army of some size). the author of this page has mentioned "The region was given its name after the Gurkhas had established their control of these areas. Gurkha, also spelt as Gorkha, are people from Nepal who take their name from the legendary eighth century Hindu warrior-saint Guru Gorakhnath. Gurkhas claim descent from the Hindu Rajputs and Brahmins of Northern India, who entered modern Nepal from the west." however, it is an established fact that the rulers of gorkha before ruling gorkha had ruled lamjung. why did not the rulers name their original place of rule as gorkha? instead if the authors' claim is to be believed it appears the gurkhas first settled the present day gorkha. even before the shah rule was established in gorkha the place was named as such and there were other minor leaders (kings??) who had control over the same territory. its a total misintepration of history that the history of kathmandu valley is considered history of nepal. there were some influential kings in western part of nepal (malla kingdom of west nepal, kings of palpa etc. just to name a few). kathmandu was instead a small city state and the history, hence, mentioned in this article deals with only the history of this city and should not be interprated as history of nepal. the article as well as some others associated with Rana regime and the rule is totally biased. the author mentions "Stability was restored after 1846 when the Rana family gained power, entrenched itself through hereditary prime ministers, and reduced the monarch to a figurehead". what i do not understand is how was the rana regime and the country at that period stable? there were numerous incidents of assasinations and politics of Nepal was highly vlunerable. there was no economic, social and political stability at all. i thought stability is a state where things go by rules and a system is well maintained. in the autocracy there was no rule and no system, always a bloody war among the rulers themselves for money and power was going on. well, if this article is talking about the stability of nepal (the mountains, rocks), it has been stable for some millenia now. the article, hence, has been highly influenced by the authors' personal background and has been biased. the fact that the author is descendent of Rana ruler has been influential in much of the work he has contributed. i m related to the ruling clans of nepal as well, however, i would not involve myself in supporting unestablished facts and twisting the history. having a desire to have a "grand lineage" is one thing and the truth is other. this wikipedia is supposed to share knowledge, lets keep it that way. lets keep the facts coming not as a means to toot our own horns but to reveal the truth. i, however, appreciate the authors work in gathering information for us all. so deep 01:32, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that it's time to dig below the surface of the official Shah biography. In fact "Shah" is an honorific that the family was given or took upon itself along the way. Whatever the family name was before that is lost somewhere in the dustbin of history.

If the caste of the royal family is Thakuri, this caste is mostly found in far western Nepal. That is in the Karnali-Bheri region, amoung Khas peoples who have lived there for a thousand years or more. Perhaps the Thakuri caste has considerable intermarriage between Khas peoples, who were Aryan but not necessarily Hindu, and tribes speaking languages of the Tibeto-Burman family. If you mentally subtract the uniforms and paraphenalia from the royal family, they don't really look like pure Aryans; they look more like crossbreeds. They undoubtedly have been very careful about who they married for tens of generations. Nevertheless if you could accurately trace their genealogy back 40 generatons or more, that might be quite interesting!

Eventually many Khas people migrated across the highlands south of the Dhaulagiris where Kham peoples lived into the Gandaki basin. One migration route was through Dhorpatan and over Jaljala pass, which is the Karnali-Bheri/Gandaki watershed. Probably another eastward migration route was to the south along the Mahabharat Range: Sallyan, Pyuthan, Palpa. The Gandaki basin has numerous low elevation areas where rice grows well, whereas the Kham highlands between the two major river basins were unsuited for growing rice and have remained a backwards, un-Hinduized area where Nepali is almost a foreign language. In fact this was the birthplace of the current Maobadi rebellion.

So the Thakuri ancestors of the Shahs may have migrated eastward into the Gandaki basin and established themselves in petty principalities. Even if they did intermarry with a Rajput or two, their obscure history in the Pahad ("middle hills") seems a lot more relevant. There may well be a great deal of fiction in the official biography. Perhaps the Rajput connection is no less fanciful than the claim that the King is an avatar of Vishnu!

Dumpings from Nepal
The text below is being dumped by me to be added in this article as is deemed fit by the editors here. The rationale behind it is that its too detailed and lengthly to be included in the FA (Nepal).

Political instability

1994 - Koirala's government defeated in no-confidence motion. New elections lead to formation of Communist government.

1995 - Communist government dissolved. Radical leftist group, the Nepal Communist Party (Maoist) begins insurrection in rural areas aimed at abolishing monarch and establishing people's republic.

In 1996, the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) started a bid to replace the parliamentary system with a socialist republic. This led to the Nepal Civil War with more than 13,000 deaths.

1997 - Continuing political instability as Prime Minister Sher Bahadur Deuba is defeated and replaced by Lokendra Bahadur Chand. Chand is then forced to resign because of party splits and is replaced by Surya Bahadur Thapa.

1998 - Thapa stands down because of party splits. GP Koirala returns as prime minister heading a coalition government.

1999 - Fresh elections give majority to Nepali Congress Party. Krishna Prasad Bhattarai becomes prime minister.

2000 - Prime Minister Bhattarai steps down after revolt in Nepali Congress Party. GP Koirala returns as prime minister, heading the ninth government in 10 years.

2001 April - General strike called by Maoist rebels brings life in much of the country to a virtual standstill; police arrest anti-government demonstrators, including some opposition leaders, in Kathmandu.


 * -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 19:15, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

It says that Nepal was influenced by the Chalukya dynasty of southern India. How is this possible?

Buddhism Section
I propose that it should be mentioned that Siddhartha's mother, Mahamaya, gave birth to the baby Siddhartha in the Lumbini Gardens, and that that area still exists with the same name. I feel the points of the article dealing with Buddhism could be slightly expanded. Thoughts? --Bentonia School 15:35, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Nepal "split in 3"?
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Even though it was independent through most of its history, it was split in three from the 15th to 18th century.

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More correct, it was split in at least between 50 and 100 states - maybe several hundred?

The Kathmandu valley was split in 3 - inn the main, at least - like the article says lower down!

Tron Ogrim, user of the norwegian wikipedia and writer of more than 100 articles about Nepal there, 2007-04-07. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.48.140.40 (talk) 22:49, 7 April 2007 (UTC).

There is pervasive confusion between "Nepal" referring to the Kathmandu Valley which was subdivided into three principalities when Prithvi Narayan conquered it, and Nepal after dozens of principalities were annexed by Prithvi Narayan and his successors.

Although the conquest of Kathmandu was a key part of Prithvi Narayan's strategy, he envisioned a much larger empire extending along the Himalaya. In fact his successors annexed the "Chaubisi Rajya" (24 principalities in the Gandaki Basin west of the Kathmandu Valley), the "Baisi Rajya" (22 principalities in the Karnali Basin further west), and additional Himalayan territories beyond the present border along the Mahakali River, west to about the longitude of Dehli. To the east, Prithvi Narayan's successors annexed "Kirata" lands in the Kosi basin east of Kathmandu and beyond the present border along the Kosi-Tista divide and the Mechi River, east to about the mainstem of the Tista in Sikkim. And to the south, Nepal extended further south into the gangeatic plains than the present international border.

Since Kathmandu was only the capital of an empire envisioned as extending across most or all of the Himalayan region, from the Terai below the Siwaliks up to the southern edge of the Tibetan Plateau, a history of Nepal ought to give at least equal attention to districts outside the Kathmandu valley, and to the histories of these districts as principalities and tribal lands. 76.80.9.100 19:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I think Nepal split into 3 is correct technically. The term "Nepal" has been used to describe Kathmandu centered independent state (there is no history of direct rule of this Nepal by any other foreign rulers just mention of "influence" and "cultural impact) and not Kathmandu which at different times were ruled by different lineages. Kautilya/Chanakya in his Kautilya Arthashastra had mentioned this term more than 2000 years ago. All the Kathmandu based kingdoms have used this term for the lands which they ever ruled over. So, Nepal means different territories at different times. Its like study of Roman or British empire. While mentioning them, we just mention a territory when it is under the Roman/British empire and not before or after that. Well, coming onto 3 kingdoms, Nepal during Malla era meant the lands ruled by the Mallas. It was NOT just Kathmandu valley (Kathmandu valley was called Nepal only in the Shah and Rana era) but Kathmandu valley and the surrounding areas which roughly correspond to Bagmati zone at the present. So, by that definition of Nepal, Nepal was split into three kingdoms which operated in a sort of confederation manner (eg- the 3 kingdoms were united in fighting the Gorkhas when they first attacked the valley and the kings of Kathmandu and Patan were protected by Bhaktapur's ruler after they lost their kingdom to Gorkha). For a more detailed study of the lands which are presently under Nepal, I think we need to have separate regional history of present day Nepal. Thank you.--Eukesh 04:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Copy edit: My two-cents.
I have tried to reorganise the article chronologically. Wikipediens are welcome to review and see for fna pl. Thanks. Wiki dr mahmad (talk) 13:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Heritage sites in Nepal
Nepal Sumpada Sangha or Nepal Heritage Society has compiled an inventory of 1,262 significant architectural/historical sites outside the Kathmandu Valley  Few of them have Wikipedia articles yet. Are there Wikipedians in the various districts who can begin articles? LADave (talk) 19:49, 25 January 2010 (UTC) Also this needs a lot of work so wikipiedians cannot be racist to cultures that other people do.

Section on Rana's Rule
It seems really disorganized and confusing. Think that part ought to be cleaned up some; I'm looking for information on that time period and I can't make head or tails of it. Just a tip.

Sakura (talk) 21:25, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

I have edited section of rana rule by removing the un-nessery current family members list.AA (talk) 23:49, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * It was a massive. Bladesmulti (talk) 06:57, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Bad link in box-macro
The macro needs to be corrected. The era "B.S." links to the B.S. degree, not Vikram Samvat! --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 18:11, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

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Early Ages section - Kirat and Licchavi
I made some updates on it with proper citations, before it seemed a bit biased towards one group of people. Kirat and Licchavi history was completely ignored and relegated to a mere one or two words, as if it never happened and as if it is simply a fairytale. I can see the same in the Nepal's wikipage. Biased writings are evident.

Call to all Nepali patriots, we have to safeguard our history without any bias and be truthful about every part of our history. Kirat and Licchavi history is Nepal's history, lets all work toward shading light on every part of Nepal's history and not sugarcoat it or hide it under the rug.

Thank You, Nepalpatriot — Preceding Nepalpatriot (talk) 09:27, 13 December 2017 (UTC)]] comment added by Nepalpatriot (talk • contribs) 12:45, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Modern History of Nepal after Rana Rule
THE MODERN HISTORY OF NEPAL COULD BE EXPLAINED ON THE BASIS OF FOLLOWING POINTS :-

•THE DELHI AGREEMENT AND THE END OF THE RANA RULE

•THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE PANCHAYAT RULE

•THE STUDENTS' MOVEMENT 2036 BS

•MASS MOVEMENT - I 2046 BS

•MASS MOVEMENT - II 2062/63 BS

THE MAJOR EVENTS FOR THE RAISE OF RANAS ARE AS FOLLOWS :-

•THE KOT PARVA

•THE BHANDARKHAL PARVA

•THE ALAU PARVA

After the end of rana rule (in 104 years), Nepal got democracy in 2007 B.S. Major revolutions were on 2046 B.S. and 2063 B.S. Now, at the present, we have got present constitution of Nepal 2072.

Credit for this article : https://edurat.blogspot.com/2018/06/the-modern-history-of-nepal.html

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