Talk:History of St. Louis

Why no references?
This article has no references. Wikipedia requires not only references but also in-line citations. Therefore, I put an tag on this article. Jolb 03:15, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I removed the tag and added cite needed tags where appropriate (I think there are about three now). poroubalous (talk) 04:42, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Rewrite and additions
I'm rewriting and adding substantially to the article during the next few days using a few references I picked up from the library, starting with James Neal Primm's history of the city. I'll include stuff from a few other sources as I go along and try to incorporate and reference most of the info that's already in the article. poroubalous (talk) 23:05, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm thinking that this article likely will need to be split into multiple period pages with the main article as a summary (a la History of New York City). I'm still working through the whole thing, but when I finish, I probably will start on splitting up the article. Any thoughts on what dates to use for separate sections? poroubalous (talk) 20:10, 9 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I started splitting the article before finishing it because it was getting pretty long, so I'm working on the whole series now, split into years based on rough dates I came up with: pre-1762, 1763-1803, 1804-1865, 1866-1904, 1904-1980, 1980-present. If we need to tweak those later it's no big deal. poroubalous (talk) 18:57, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow -- this is a lot more work than I anticipated. My current goals include:
 * Editing the main article down to under 60KB per WP:SIZERULE (naturally this means moving a lot of information to the subarticles) (as of now main article is at 54KB of readable prose size! poroubalous (talk) 04:40, 25 June 2011 (UTC))
 * Adding information in the main article on the 1923 bond issue and building campaign
 * Adding information in the main article on the renovations and rehabs of the early 2000s to present
 * Diversifying references, especially for history prior to 1865 (with references from gerteis and van ravenswaay)
 * Editing for grammar/style/wikilinks when possible... poroubalous (talk) 22:08, 23 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Decided to nominate for peer review now that I've tidied up the last few things on my list. poroubalous (talk) 18:13, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Wow. You rock. This article was on my to-do list for a bazillion years. I'll leave some extra comments at the peer review after I finish marveling at its new state. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  16:59, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

To Do Based on Peer Review
This is based on comments from Ruhrfisch and Fetchcomms:
 * Evaluate use of wikilinks throughout article
 * Did this for the lead, still going through the rest. poroubalous (talk) 17:19, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Reinsert population figures in prose or table form
 * Include Lewis and Clark Expedition
 * Included using Ambrose's book. poroubalous (talk) 18:36, 7 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Fix unemployment figures in Great Depression
 * Fixed numbers using Primm source. poroubalous (talk) 17:19, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Evaluate inclusion of specific years for periods of time (Prohibition, WWII, etc.)
 * Fixed where appropriate. poroubalous (talk) 17:19, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Support Primm references with other sources
 * Supported a lot of them so far, but could continue. poroubalous (talk) 17:19, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Determine "Mound builders" capitalization
 * Fixed this; I checked a source on Mississippian culture and it's lowercase. poroubalous (talk) 17:23, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Locate and insert information about causes of population loss in 1950s and 1960s
 * Insert information on racial issues of 1950s and 1960s
 * Locate and insert information about Jewish history
 * Inserted first Jewish congregation info and early Mormons info. poroubalous (talk) 18:11, 4 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Locate and insert information about architecture, buildings of significance, Citygarden, etc.
 * Inserted graf about 1890s building spurt, incl. Wainwright. Still need to add a few more examples and insert Citygarden. poroubalous (talk) 18:11, 4 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Locate and insert information about the St. Louis Rams
 * Inserted Rams info. poroubalous (talk) 17:24, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

As always, the project is a work in progress. poroubalous (talk) 15:12, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Lead needs references
A concern was brought at the GA review that the article lead might need references in a few places. Because I've been at this particular article for a while, I'm not really able to see what might be controversial as well as fresh eyes might be able to see. If you see a sentence or ideas that need citations in the lead, please note it here and we can bring consensus on it. I'm reticent to add citations to the lead as everything else in the article already is cited, and it would duplicate the citations. Thoughts? poroubalous (talk) 15:28, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I believe the 1st paragraph would be a good place for references, since this has to do with St. Louis's early history, including information on American Indians. Cmguy777 (talk) 20:21, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No, in general the lede should not contain references, especially for a lengthy article like this one. The lede is meant as a summary of information already present in the rest of the article, and as long as the rest is cited, then the lede does not need refs. Per the WP:MOS, the lede should not include information not already in the rest of the article or refs for material cited later on. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  01:53, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Timeline of St. Louis
What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 11:19, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

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Civil War
However, with all the necessity of ammunition, St. Louis survived and transformed into a leader among cities.
 * What does this mean? Valetude (talk) 07:32, 26 September 2019 (UTC)