Talk:History of Tanzania

Merge Zanzibar Revolution
Oppose merge. I see no reason why Zanzibar Revolution does not warrant its own article. --Ezeu 16:02, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose merge, as per Ezeu. &mdash; Matt Crypto 17:55, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Minor revisions re Zanzibar
I have made some minor revisions concerning Zanzibar, largely in an effort to remove contentious and potentially misleading material. References to the "Arab slave trade" can give the false impression that all of the region's slave-holders and slave-traders were Arabs. (In deference to the article's original authors, however, I have retained the link to the contentious Wikipedia article on the "Arab slave trade.") In the section on the revolution, I have removed the reference to the highly contentious film Africa Addio. That film does not "document" the revolution in any substantive way, and although it contains a few minutes of valuable footage, it is hardly the most important source on the racial killings that occurred in January 1964. To those who insist on the film's significance, I suggest adding it to the list of sources. Jizungu (talk) 19:27, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Persian and Arab traders
Something is very wrong with this section. Check out what were the missing words. I suppose someone used triangle brackets instead of the square one and brouser have hidden it as it hides HTML tags. It's only my assumption, but nevertheless missed words should be inserted. Thanx in advance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.130.18.37 (talk) 11:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I have rewritten the opening paragraph of this section to reflect the past two decades of scholarship. And I have changed the subheading of the section accordingly. The evidence of archaeology and historical linguistics is fairly unambiguous in refuting the notion that the Swahili towns were in any way founded by "Persian and Arab traders". In fact, there is virtually no evidence that Persian influence was ever signficant in the history of the coast. Jizungu (talk) 18:20, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Rinderpest
I wonder if any discussion of the devastating effect of Rinderpest on the population and economic history of Tanzania should be included? GWW57 —Preceding undated comment added 22:48, 25 December 2010 (UTC).

Ground nuts
There should be a section about the Tanganyika groundnut scheme. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.251.135 (talk • contribs) 12:07, 7 August 2011
 * I have now put one into the main article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.55.83 (talk) 08:29, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Current text
The current text says that Nyerere called in British troops. There were rumours that this was not true and that the document was signed by Rashidi Kawawa, the Vice-President. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.194.200 (talk • contribs) 12:29, 8 August 2011
 * Kawawa was actually Prime Minister in 1964. One version has it that Nyerere was in the American Embassy at one point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.152.254.68 (talk • contribs) 14:35, 8 August 2011
 * See www.jamiiforums.com. Nyerere and Kawawa are said to have spent part of the January of 1964 in a "safe place" and "seclusion". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.55.83 (talk) 09:34, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Anyone is welcome to improve the current text, using references to reliable sources. Any "rumours" would need to be backed up by references to reliable sources, and it would need to be clear why such rumours are notable (eg. they have recieved coverage/discussion in multiple reliable sources). An internet forum is unlikely to be considered a reliable source to use on Wikipedia. Please sign posts to talkpages like this by adding four tildes ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) after your comments. -- Beloved  Freak  10:47, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Similar remarks appeared in the "Daily Telegraph", but I cannot remember the exact day. The story in the same gave the exact wording of the invitation to intervene militarily. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.139.150.242 (talk) 11:11, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The article on Oscar Kambona says much the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.194.200 (talk) 12:37, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Recent History
I believe this section needs more information concerning Nyerere's policies on education and the use of English in secondary schools. There is a lot of information missing from the attempts of Nyerere and CCM to help Tanzanian students compete in the World, and specifically in Western Education systems. Tfinnegan20 (talk) 17:17, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

In addition I feel as though this section does not discuss Nyerere and his Socialism neutrally. Regardless of the failings by the socialist system there is obvious bias against Nyerere and whether it is deserving or not it does not belong in an academic article. Also, the paraphrasing of Source 17 is misleading and questionable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.105.235.133 (talk) 08:40, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree with the above comments as it is far too simplistic to blame socialism for the economic failings of the Tanzanian state and there is plenty of evidence to show that many other factors interacterd to bring this about that were not necessarily under Tanzania'a control. Tanzania enjoyed reasonable economic growth with a more equitable distribution of income than seen in other countries up until about 1974 despite adopting socialist policies (reference: "Tanzania after Nyerere" edited by Michael Hodd 1988. The book contains a selection of papers presented at a conference at the school of Oriental and African studies, London University June 1986). In 1974 things started to go wrong and not necessarily in order of signficance these were:

- shortfalls in domestic food production caused by floods and drought, fluctuating export prices and rising costs especially for oil due to the oil crises during the 70s - the collapse of the East African Community (1977) - the conflict with Uganda (1978) - the second oil shock of 1979/80 - price instability for cash crops - problems with Tanzania's attempts to industrialise largely due to teh protectionist policies of developed countries

Moreover one cannot underestimate the hostage tactics of outsied countries and organisations such as the refusal of Britain to provide aid unless the Tanzanian government negotiated with the IMF. The IMF's neoconservative economic agenda based on disproven 'trickle-down economic theory has directly contributed to the ruin of many economies in the developing world and they have yet to be held accountable (reference: "Globalisation and its discontents" by Joseph Stiglitz) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MbioKanu (talk • contribs) 06:35, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Women's History
I want to add a section to this page about Women's History in Tanzania. There is barely any mention of women at all in this page and I think that there are a lot of opportunities for them to be involved in the history of Tanzania. I would include sections on laws related to women, legal rights, women in politics in Tanzania, women's health, women in the Tanzanian workplace, and Tanzanian women-focused organizations. I would also end with a section on famous Tanzanian women. I would add this section towards the end of the page, right before the "recent history" section. Shannon7mcnamara (talk) 17:08, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * @Shannon7mcnamara (talk Hi, this is a great idea. Looking forward to this! Munfarid1 23:23, 1 August 2019 (UTC)Munfarid1

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Traditional kingdoms
Why does this article not mention the abolition of traditional kingdoms in 1962? Alexanderkowal (talk) 13:40, 20 March 2024 (UTC)