Talk:History of engraving

Duplication?
I note that Engraving points readers to Old master print and Line engraving. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:26, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, indeed it is duplication. This very poor quality effort is an unhelpful translation from the Spanish that we really don't need. Perhaps it should be redirected or disamed. Johnbod (talk) 04:50, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * A particular problem is that the majority of the article is not about engravings at all, but prints in all techniques - woodcuts, etchings, lithographs and so on. This reflects Spanish usage, in which "grabado" is the word for both an actual engraving and a print of any sort - not the case in English. It's clear the translator is not at all at home in the terminology in English. The main early part of the article entirely duplicates Old master print, and later sections Ukiyo-e and many other articles, all much better than this. The linking to other articles is very poor, and like most of these machine translators, the editor doesn't understand how to use a "main article" template. At 268k raw bytes, the article is waaaaaay too long, which may show what should be done with it. We don't have decent survey articles on 19th or, for the most part, 20th century printmaking (by now alomost none of it in engraving), so it should be broken up, to things like 19th century printmaking in Western art and 20th century printmaking in Western art, and the WP:CFORK bits that can't be usefully added anywhere just dropped. Another problem is that this is paid editing. The article entirely ignores Anglophone printmaking throughout, and I suspect the Spanish version is actually translated from the French, as there is a huge emphasis on French and German work. Johnbod (talk) 16:36, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Unless anyone objects, I am going to start dismembering and dispersing this soon, along the lines I mention above. Johnbod (talk) 01:00, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Log - opening size 268,383 bytes. Johnbod (talk) 18:32, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * To European printmaking in the 20th century, 67k bytes removed
 * To Ambroise Vollard - c. 10k bytes copied, most left in European printmaking in the 20th century for now.
 * to European printmaking in the 18th century - 27,915
 * to European printmaking in the 19th century - 65,072
 * to Woodblock printing in Japan 1,875
 * to Woodblock printing (China) 3,800
 * Size now 99,600

Johnbod (talk) 23:06, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * What is left is now inferior content forking of Printmaking, Engraved gem, Old master print, Ukiyo-e and so on. I'll see if bits can be used elsewhere. Johnbod (talk) 20:18, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * For now I'll just redirect to Old master print. Johnbod (talk) 01:06, 17 November 2022 (UTC)