Talk:History of geography/Archive 1

Initial post
write a critique of environmental determinism

This is a fairly limited discussion of the subject (as demonstrated by the citations)and much more needs to be said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iain Stuart (talk • contribs) 06:32, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

New Section
I just added the entire section about China.--PericlesofAthens 00:11, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

How far did the Arabes travel?
A accept that Arab sailors visited China. They may also have visited Korea and Japan. But the Bering strait? I don't think it was visited by any literate people until well into the Age of Discovery. What is the evidence that the Arabs where there? If the evidence is as bad as the ones Gavin Menzies has about the Chinese sailing around the world I don't think the Arabs ever got that far.

2009-02-18 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.

No lead section
This article could use a lead section that's longer than just one sentence. WP:LEAD guideline states: ''The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview of the article. It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the subject is interesting or notable, and summarize the most important points..'' -- &oelig; &trade; 04:23, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

What could be included.
I think alot on the history of science should be included here as it's important in the establishment of geography as a academic discipline.

I'll probably add some of this myself at somepoint but i think stuff is needed with

Voyages of Discovery Geography and the Renaissance Scientific Revolution - work of Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Bacon and Newton Geography in the 17th century - Keckermann, Carptenter, Helylyn, Varenius, relationships between physical geography and theology in describing the world - physico-theology, theology and natural philosophy. Works of Humboldt and Ritter Geography in the American Revolution The role of Darwin and his influence on geography Nazism and Geography - Geopolitik Mackinder and Geopolitics Environmentalism Positivism - Quantatative Revolution Marxism in Geography Feminism in Geography Post-modern Geography — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alowishus321 (talk • contribs) 17:47, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Proposing a new section of 18th century
I would like to add a new section for geography in the 18th century. Here is my proposed outline: 1. Geography as a discipline in institution; 2. Social and economic background; 3. Major texts in Geography; and 4. Major texts and phenomena influencing the development of Geography. Please let me know if you have any suggestion! Thanks a lot! Jiayong.liang (talk) 22:20, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think that's necessary. First, we already have a section on the Early Modern period which includes the 18th Century. You outline sounds too broad for the confines of that section. At this stage you would do well to add sentences and maybe paragraphs. What sources are you looking to use? Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 23:17, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the comments! My motivation is the question why and how geography become a discipline. Right now I would like to draft the outline by more details. Basically, my sources include: Geography and Geographers 6th Edition: Anglo-American Human Geography since 1945 (by Johnston and Sidaway), The Geographical Tradition: Episodes in the History of a Contested Enterprise (by Livingston), Empiricism and Geographical Thought (by Bowen), The Fate of Place (by Casey), and Kant's writing on physical geography. Jiayong.liang (talk) 23:31, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I see that you're a student. Wikipedia is a tertiary source and as such, this isn't where we "question" anything. It sounds like what you're thinking of is original research. While perfectly acceptable for an essay to submit to your professor, that's not what an encyclopedia contains. Instead, consider what your secondary sources say and how you can expand this article with those sources while keeping the focus on the history of geography without undue coverage of particular points. Either or  should have explained this. I see you considered other articles and I'm not sure why you chose this one. The sources you have should provide context for the development of geography during this time I have a couple recommendations in regards to your goal: First, note that the first sentence of the 19th Century section explains that geography by then was its own academic field. You can explain how that developed in the early modern period. (You will still be writing about the 18th Century but I would recommend not paring that period down any further.) How had the field professionalized by then? What happened to all the parlor hobbyists? Secondly, geodesy and cartography changed considerably during this time thanks to the development of the marine chronometer and the sextant which enabled at-sea charting and the exploration of Australia. Finally, there are sentences in that section that aren't cited, either, so that's something else you can fix. Because the article already exists you won't need an outline so much as a concept of where you can expand. I hope that helps and thanks for posting on this talk page first.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 00:07, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! I will think about this carefully and I will first write the text in my sandbox, without changing this page. Jiayong.liang (talk) 01:21, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

The part of 19th century
Citation would be needed for Mary Somerville. I expect more information here as well. Jiayong.liang (talk) 22:39, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Islamic world
Most of the names mentioned in the Islamic world are incorrect, and none of them drew a map, but rather they are not geographers in the first place, and the one mentioned below, Ibn Jahiz, is not geographically at all. As I mentioned above about "mawali" Byzantine, Jews and Persians where is the source !! Sarazxs123 (talk) 07:41, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

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