Talk:History of juggling

References needed
This article is an overview of historical juggling information which has presumably been taken from a number of sources. It would benefit from a bibliography or list of references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.22.144.198 (talk • contribs) 08:22, 18 July 2005

It is my intention to make this article a proper history of juggling rather than just a list of unreferenced dates. It will be an edit over time. Please discuss my changes here before reverting. Thanks Robynthehode (talk) 16:01, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Old chinese reliefs depicting ball jugglers
http://www.sdmuseum.com/show.aspx?id=2285&cid=59 (juggler middle, left, 6 balls or more) and http://www.sdmuseum.com/show.aspx?id=2325&cid=59 (juggler 7 balls + I think 2 balls in his hands = 9 balls). &emsp; Please also follow link to date inquiry on chinese help-desk: https://zh-yue.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E8%A9%A2%E5%95%8F%E8%99%95#History_of_juggling_-_old_chinese_excavated_reliefs --217.84.65.219 (talk) 13:28, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Without yet having gotten an answer on chinese helpdesk, I have found the corresponding article for the museum here on WP:EN : Shandong_Museum. That articles' introduction mentions stone carvings from the Han_dynasty dating 206 BC – 220 AD. - Now if I didn't fall for some double-notion or didn't make some mistake on that clickpath from the reliefs' pics on the chinese site (www.sdmuseum.com), past "stone carvings" in general, onto the english article for Han-dynasty, .. then these would be among the earliest depictions of toss-juggling, we have at all. --217.84.79.196 (talk) 02:08, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Wow, neat find! This is something I have never seen before. Keep digging! -Fortpinepitch (talk) 17:15, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * yeh thx .. found more of it:
 * https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8a/Han_Dynasty_Juggling.jpeg on
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggling_in_ancient_China Also from Han dynasty and looks pretty similar.
 * And yet more, found with "nangwan" 弄丸, on baidu.com (http://image.baidu.com/search/index?tn=baiduimage&ipn=r&ct=201326592&cl=2&fm=&lm=-1&st=-1&sf=2&fmq=1448561853996_D&pv=&ic=0&nc=1&z=&se=&showtab=0&fb=0&width=&height=&face=0&istype=2&ie=utf-8&word=%E5%BC%84%E4%B8%B8) :
 * http://img4.imgtn.bdimg.com/it/u=2582181573,2455808693&fm=21&gp=0.jpg
 * http://greatcourse.cnu.edu.cn/mss/wlkc/kcxx/chap04/03/tpl_course_0524e970.files/10450214642_image026.jpg
 * http://greatcourse.cnu.edu.cn/mss/wlkc/kcxx/chap04/03/tpl_course_0524e970.files/10450214651_image027.jpg
 * http://greatcourse.cnu.edu.cn/mss/wlkc/kcxx/chap04/03/tpl_course_0524e970.files/1045021479_image029.jpg
 * http://img0.imgtn.bdimg.com/it/u=3766010278,2258978754&fm=21&gp=0.jpg
 * alas, there is a language barrier to find out on details and sources and the reliefs' find circumstances. --217.84.70.156 (talk) 22:59, 22 December 2015 (UTC)


 * These are all very interesting. Good idea to search on Baidu. Unfortunately, you are right that we will have to get translations of the sources for these pictures if we are going to add them to the article. No luck with the Chinese helpdesk? - Fortpinepitch (talk) 00:03, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Alas, no! .. I also mailed the links to the café of an ancient chinese history museum in Cologne, germany - with no answer. (A lot of history and knowledge will need to be rewritten with China having opened its political and cultural wall - yet the speech barrier remains) --217.84.95.220 (talk) 12:44, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

wayback-snapshot of merged article "Juggling in ancient China"
As that article seems to be bound for deletion, I made a snapshot: http://web.archive.org/web/20151222231656/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggling_in_ancient_China I'm afraid, the references will be lost ( I'm not also retrieving these from the text. Are you? :o) ). --217.84.70.156 (talk) 23:23, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, good. I was careful to copy over all the references when I merged the China article, so we shouldn't lose anything. Are you ok with deleting Juggling in ancient China? It just seemed better to bring everything together in one place here. - Fortpinepitch (talk) 00:09, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, "okay with deleting" .. sure! I'm just a passerby ;o) --217.84.70.139 (talk) 23:50, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Sources for ancient juggling history research
After reading the chapter on juggling in ancient times from Karl-Heinz Ziethen's 4000 Years of Juggling, I decided to dig deeper and find primary source references for Ziethen's many juggling artifacts and quotes. Another source, which appears to have also been one of Ziethen's main sources, is a 1907 article by Arthur Watson published in The Reliquary and Illustrated Archaeologist. The information I have added to this wiki page attempts to expand on the foundation laid by Watson and Ziethen. Unfortunately, the information on modern juggling history is still very minimal, so I hope that someone can step up and help flesh out that section. -Fortpinepitch (talk) 23:51, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

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