Talk:History of the Irish language

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RE: the Title:History of Irish.

Is this the history of Irish people, animals, languages or what? Better a History of the Irish Gaelic or History of the native Irish Language. Eog1916 17:04, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It was originally called History of the Irish language and was only recently moved. I wouldn't object to its being moved back to that name. —Angr 17:21, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Irish version?
Doesn't this article deserve an Irish language version? Only in Finnish?!86.46.203.59 (talk) 13:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course it deserves one. You just have to write it. +Angr 17:36, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I'm looking at the links to articles in other languages and Irish is there with Finnish, I see a long article on "Stair na Gaeilge"? 109.79.7.59 (talk) 23:15, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The Irish article is brand new. It wasn't there yet when this thread was started. +Angr 23:47, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Link to LFM
I've included the short-lived Language Freedom Movement but it might be placed elsewhere in the article. Compulsion in a republic never made sense, but there were no jobs in opposing it.Red Hurley (talk) 13:00, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Northern Ireland/Six Counties
The article could do with more on Irish in this part of the world, rather than just the 26 counties. It has taken a very different trajectory there.--MacRusgail (talk) 13:42, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Early modern history
I don't want to go all nationalist here, but this article totally downplays the fact that the Tudor's conquest of Ireland had as one of its main aims the displacement of the Irish language by English. It even states that Elizabeth I encouraged the use of Irish in the Pale, when in fact its use there was something English authorities were pulling their hair out over all through the 16th century!

Elizabeth's primer, cited here as a sign of her enthusiasm for the language, was no more than a few phrases like, "hello, how are you" to greet Irish visitors to court. And, while the article lists all the books printed to try to spread the reformation it doesn't mention that the actual Irish-language scholars were busy becoming counter-reformation priests and writing Catholic histories of Ireland like the Annals of the Four Masters, Foras Feasa ar Eireann and the "Life of Red Hugh O'Donnell", or that Catholicism became so identified with the Gaelic population that until the 19th century, the word for "Protestant" in Irish was the same as the word for "Englishman"! I'm all for getting away from nationalist over-simplification, but this is just ridiculous. Jdorney (talk) 12:34, 28 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree not to mention basically this who,e section is scientifically disproven at this point with the new tomb body research into DNA
 * 1166 Norman conquest 1200 language shift hmmmmmmmm?M? 2601:546:8201:A540:0:0:0:AB45 (talk) 22:51, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Title of this article
Given that the history outlined in this article pertains to Ireland only, would it not be more accurate to give it another title such as History of the Irish Language in Ireland?86.158.66.156 (talk) 18:54, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

An Caighdeán Oifigiúil
Added.Red Hurley (talk) 12:05, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Shaw, Wilde, Yeats
Did Shaw, Wilde and Yeats really write in Hiberno-English, as claimed in the article? I find it difficult to believe without a proper citation, especially regarding the first two. Bazuz (talk) 22:12, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

"Primitive"
I sincerely suggest to obstain from the rather arrogant term "primitive" for old languages, alleging that modern forms represent a cultural "higher" level. HJJHolm (talk) 09:48, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Like it or not, that's the most common name for the language; see the hits at Google Scholar and the SIL documentation for the code "pgl". There's no other name in widespread use, nor is it obvious what other adjective to use that could indicate a language older than Old Irish ("Very Old Irish"? "Even Older Irish"?). Aɴɢʀ (talk) 20:59, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Are any other historical forms of Indo-European languages referred to as primitive? Gortaleen (talk) 12:22, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe the name it had should be used
 * Iarnnbērlæ
 * just an idea 2601:546:8201:A540:0:0:0:AB45 (talk) 22:52, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

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Early history
So if the irish language arrived in 1200 or 2000 BC, how was it called? Is there no name for it? Because only in the 3th century it will be called 'primitive Irish'. So and why is 'pre-primitive' Irish missing in the illustration below? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MagicDan1 (talk • contribs) 23:27, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * All you need to do MagicDan1, is to check the sources. Especially before you use the information on other language wikipedias. If you're unable to do the research, leave it be altogether. I can help you along a bit, but you have to do your own legwork. The Irish language referred to in this article is a Celtic (Gaelic) language, since there were no Celtic people in Ireland before approximately the 5th century BC, your claims of an Irish Celtic language at 1200 or even 2000 BC are pure fantasy. Now, buy the books and check the scientific facts, or leave it be. Best wishes. --Nanorsuaq (talk) 21:28, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * You are defining Celtic too narrowly. A more inclusive definition of Celtic is the Celts are and were the Indo-European people and languages of Northwestern Europe that are neither Germanic nor Latin. Gortaleen (talk) 12:28, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

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