Talk:History of the United States Navy/Archive 2

To do list

 * Copy edit; specifically removing duplications.
 * Additional references

"Active" Date on Sidebar
The sidebar currently states that the USN was "Active" from "13 October 1775 – present". I don't think that's accurate. Even if the USN's founding is traced to that of the Continental Navy, there was a period of almost a decade, from 1785 to 1794, where there was no Navy, and the reconstituted Navy did not have its first ship until 1798. As a result, to say that the USN was "active" since 1775 is not factually correct. 216.64.189.242 (talk) 20:04, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Date format.
Shouldn't the date format of a united states based article be mdy because thats the format used by the US government? I've gone ahead and changed it, but if there is some reason it should be.... I'm just kinda confused. Jeancey (talk) 21:43, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I switched it back; dmy is the format used by the US military according to that standard. Kirk (talk) 17:18, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops! I need to learn to read the entirety of a section not just the first part! Thanks for changing it back! Jeancey (talk) 21:26, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Pivot to the Pacific
I suggest breaking "after the cold war" at either the start of the Global War of Terror or at the Pivot to the Pacific.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/02/world/asia/leon-panetta-outlines-new-weaponry-for-pacific.html "The Navy, Mr. Panetta said, would reconfigure its forces from a 50-50 split between the Atlantic Ocean and the Pacific to 60 percent of the Navy’s assets assigned to the Pacific Ocean."

Hcobb (talk) 09:37, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

USN Submarine history
If anyone is interested in starting a sub-article regarding the history of the United States Navy submarine force, a recent article in Proceedings maybe of use.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:31, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Unclear regarding "Navy yards"
This sentence: "In peacetime, Navy yards all munitions that lacked civilian uses, including warships, naval guns, and shells."

... seems to be missing a word. Perhaps "manufactured" after "Navy yards"? Needs an edit.

Also, what's the MediaWiki tag for "unclear" -- I looked and couldn't find one.

Dredmorbius (talk) 16:16, 19 December 2013 (UTC)


 * "Yards" can actually be used as a verb, meaning to confine something in a yard, so it isn't technically wrong, but I had to read the sentence 3 or 4 times before I realized what it was trying to say, so I changed the wording to try to clear it up a bit. Additionally, that paragraph lacks citation and does not quite feel like it fits there to me. Last Revanant (talk) 13:58, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

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External links section needs a careful review
The museum list is a WP:linkfarm.

In an attempt to de-escalate the disputes between myself and Rjensen, I may not be prompt in responding to comments here until the other disputes are further along. --Ronz (talk) 16:02, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * the museum list is not a link farm.  WP:Linkfarm defines "linkfarm" --it states There is nothing wrong with adding one or more useful content-relevant links to the external links section of an article; however, excessive lists can dwarf articles and detract from the purpose of Wikipedia.  This article runs 113,733 bytes long and the 13 museum links run 1372 bytes = 1.2%  located near the very end in my opinion that does NOT "dwarf" the article. Each museum is 100% dedicated to  the "History of the United States Navy" -- our  purpose here, so they do not "detract" from our purpose.  do you think it "dwarfs" the article When will you have the "careful review" ready for us? Rjensen (talk) 18:08, 14 December 2018 (UTC)


 * JMHO but, to avoid any further escalation, it would probably be best to not remove any more 'external links' until there a consensus or agreement on the matter. Also, it would again probably be best to keep the discussion in one place, which as of now seems to be at ANI. Again... jmho. - wolf  20:03, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

There have now been at least three other related discussions. I'm assuming no more will be needed and consensus is clear. --Ronz (talk) 20:49, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Signals in the USN
No mention here of the role or development for signals in the USN. This picture for example dates from 1864, I think. It commemorates what was then regarded as an important event, and the pivot point of the U.S Military creating and using Signals Corps. for wider use in Army and Navy. Part of the caption for it reads ''This photograph shows a party of Admiral John A. Dahlgren's signal-men on board ship receiving a message from the Georgia shore. The two flagmen are standing at attention, ready to send Dahlgren's answering message, and the officer with the telescope is prepared to read the signals from the shore. Thus Sherman's message from the parapet of Fort McAllister was read. Commander C. P. R. Rodgers and Admiral Dupont had been prompt to recognize the value of the Army Signal Corps system and to introduce it in the navy.'' Before you say I don't have the books or background to tackle this subject.Broichmore (talk) 10:53, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

John Barry?
John Barry doesn't get a single mention in this, although he is frequently termed 'Father of the US Navy'. Where does he fit into the foundation? Dáibhí Ó Bruadair (talk) 09:40, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Barry was the first officer assigned to the US Navy but does not seem notable outside of getting signed up first. I am not sure that warrants an inclusion in this article. --Frmorrison (talk) 20:46, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

I suppose you could include him in a line or sentence near the beginning such as.... 'Several men, such as John Barry, John Adams and John Paul Jones, have been called the 'Father of United States Navy'.... if he was not notable enough for much detail than something simple like that should do.

But I must say, being called the 'Father of the American Navy' surely warrants that the person in question did something notable to earn this title? Iamdmonah (talk) 14:08, 14 July 2020 (UTC)