Talk:History of the hamburger in the United States

Missing info
Some information on how popular the hamburger was at various points in history would be informative. Also, clearly major chains like McDonald's, Burger King, and Wendy's should be included in the history, and it should be brought up to the present day. -- Beland (talk) 18:27, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Extra Info
The paragraph before the lists states: "The following restaurants have either played a part in the creation of the hamburger sandwich, developed a unique cooking method or were first to sell them nationwide"

From this, i don't understand why In-N-Out burger is included in this list. In-N-Out burger does make good burgers but the example does not explain how they have created it, developed a unique cooking method, or were the first to sell them nationwide. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.109.98.44 (talk) 16:45, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Low carb
A new passage was recently added to this article and others that adds information about low carb variations. The claims made are incorrect for several reasons and I wanted to bring this up here because I do not wish to enter into an edit war. Here are my reasons for removing the data:

In regards to the contributions regarding this subject, the information that was added by Incommand added is incorrect because the information presented is only one way to prepare low-carb burgers. As an example that contradicts his assertion, Burger King's low carb options are sold as a salad. (That is sourced in the Burger King products article if any one wishes to verify it.) Additionally, low carb options usually remove the sauces as well because of the large number of sugar based carbohydrates, such as high-fructose corn syrup, found in them - as stated in the Dummies book reference he provided.

Looking at the provided citations I have found contradictory issues with them:
 * 1) The Dummies book reference does not say this is what a low carb burger is, but states that manner of preparation is just one of many ways to have a burger that is low in carbohydrates. In the same section the author of the book states that one can just skip the bun and condiments or eat it solely with cheese and mushrooms and still have a low carb burger. It makes no claim as to what a low carb burger, making the added assertion synthesis.
 * 2) The fast food sources are in fact two of the smaller chains in the US and are not representative of the industry as a whole. As stated in the previous paragraph Burger King does not prepare its low carb options in this manner, while McDonald's does not even serve a low carb burger. These two citations are in fact not neutral or reliable and thus are invalid.

It appears that the data was added by picking and choosing sources to fit the contributors assertions as opposed to actually establishing the data as correct.

Any comments? --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 07:28, 18 September 2010 (UTC)


 * If it's sold as as a salad, it's not a burger. This editor has made an issue of this and why, I don't know. I've provided sources and any editor can do a Google search of what is normally defined as a low carb burger and see that it fits the entry exactly. The two chains cited are major chains, Carl's Jr. and Hardee's (both are owned by the same parent corporation and as per cited sources in their respective articles, are together the fourth largest hamburger chain). Here is the entry: A low carb burger is a hamburger where the bun is omitted and large pieces of lettuce are used in its place. (Note: The Dummies book source was provided by another editor, not me.) --Incommand (talk) 07:40, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The sauce issue has now been addressed. The entry now reads: A low carb burger is a hamburger where the bun is omitted and large pieces of lettuce are used in its place, with mayonnaise and/or mustard being the sauces primarily used. (Note: These sauces have 0g to 1g of carbs per serving.) --Incommand (talk) 18:36, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

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Hamburger bun?
This article contradicts itself. It states that the first hamburger served on a bun happened in 1891 in Oklahoma. However, it says in a following section that the hamburger bun was invented in 1916 by a man who went on to be a cofounder of White Castle.24.107.13.228 (talk) 19:54, 25 August 2023 (UTC)