Talk:Hitler birthplace memorial stone

Shouldn't this article talk about what a memorial stone is, instead of a particular memorial stone?
 * --Snowdog 20:36, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * I totally agree. This page was originally named Memorial stone in front of the house where Adolf Hitler was born. Any suggestions for a shorter title? Martg76 21:53, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hitler's house memorial stone? --Snowdog 22:45, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, what about Hitler birthplace memorial stone? (He probably didn't own the house) Martg76 23:00, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What is meant by "the (totally unconnected) owner"? Unconnected to Hitler, to the community? -- Hestemand 11:37, 28 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Unconnected to Hitler. The building was just an inn / lodging house when AH was born.  The owners were nothing to do with the Hitlers.  Although AH talks about his birth in Braunau in 'Mein Kampf', he doesn't mention the building at all, and never made any kind of sentimental 'pilgrimage' to it when he visited Austria after the Anschluss.  Instead he laid a wreath on his parents grave, many miles away. ChrisRed 08:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

The translation of "MILLIONEN TOTE MAHNEN" to "Remember (the) Dead Millions" is not correct, I think. It's more like "Dead Millions are reminding" (I don't know how to better express, but it's the _Millions_ who are in the active, _reminding_ the beholder of the stone). greetings from Germany.


 * Thank you very much. I speak some German (I am English, by the way), but I found this line very difficult to translate into English without writing a long, rambling sentence about the 'mood' that it is meant to convey.  'Millionen tote mahnen' translates simply as 'Millions dead (to) remind', but that just gives the literal meaning, not the emotional meaning. It would have been easier if it had said 'Mahnen sie die tote millionen', or 'Die millionen tote uns mahnen' or 'Vergessen Sie (uns) nie die tote millionen' (which is what I thought it meant).  It definitely doesn't translate easily in a few words.
 * The line will just not translate directly. I think that it means something between:


 * Never again fascism - the millions of dead remind us why.


 * and Never again fascism - the millions of dead warn us against it.


 * Perhaps a native German-speaker could simply describe (in German if necessary) the 'mood' that he feels when he reads the German inscription, and we will try to agree on something in English that conveys the same mood. As a German, do you think that the article is fair and balanced, with neither offence or 'weasel words'?. ChrisRed 07:14, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * First of all, my correction was indeed a correction. The former translation "Remember the dead millions" ignored the grammatical structure of the original sentence by using the subject as the object. So much for that. Secondly, "remind" is a possible translation for "mahnen." But it just isn't appropriate here as it's too weak a verb. In the original sentence "mahnen" implies a strong warning. That's why I chose "admonish." Perhaps a good compromise simply would be "Millions of dead warn [us]" with the "[us]" added for clarification. (German is my native tongue, by the way.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.151.223.233 (talk) 09:00, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Many thanks. We have been waiting a long time for a native German-speaker to give a proper translation.  'Admonish' is a very obscure word in English, we rarely use it, and - as you say - 'remind' is too weak.  I like 'Millions of dead warn us' very much...it sounds more ominous and threatening, which is what I think that the inscription is meant to convey.  So let's settle on 'Millions of Dead Warn (Us)', and once again, many thanks. ChrisRed (talk) 10:51, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * SWik 78, Nice solution to caption/credits problem. Thanks ChrisRed (talk) 08:39, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Organization of article
I just happened to stumble upon this article and was curious about its title and organization. Shouldn't it be entitled "Hitler's Birthplace Memorial Stone"? Also I think the lead paragraph doesn't come off quite right and the name of the article is not in boldface at the opening. Question: the article says it was returned to its owners in 1952. Who owned it before then?--JohnnyB256 (talk) 17:18, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Your edits look just fine to me...no problem, and all contributions are received in the spirit in which they are intended. I agree that "Hitler's Birthplace Memorial Stone" is more grammatically correct, but please think long and hard before changing it, as it is the target of several links from other sites...Google for example. I don't know who officially 'owned' 15 Salzburger Vorstadt between WW2 and 1952, perhaps it was 'siezed' by the occupying forces, who destroyed the Berghof and other Nazi-era iconic buildings in the same way ChrisRed (talk) 19:11, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Chris. I don't think that "Hitler's" is absolutely necessary. I've rewritten the pre-1952 sentence slightly so as to remove that issue.


 * Curiously, in searching through Wiki I found no article on the residence itself. I did find an article called House of Responsibility which is difficult to understand. I wonder if this may be the house in question. JohnnyB256 (talk) 20:54, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * 'House of Responsibility' is an anti neo-nazi 'warning' organisation rather than a physical place. It was indeed originally intended to base it at 15 Salzburger Vorstadt, but this was not possible at the time.  The building itself is unremarkable (see the photo on the German language page).  It was simply a lodging/guest house/inn when AH was born, (the 'Gasthof zum Pommern', if my memory serves) and the owners were never related to the Hitlers in any way save as landlords.  There is a German-language article called 'The Problem House on the Vorstadt' about the house, and when I passed through Braunau a few years ago, I got the impression that most locals would have preferred the place to have gone the same way as the Berghof.  Many regard the continued existance of the place as a nuisance, as Braunau is a nice friendly little place and well worth visiting for other reasons than the 'Hitler Link'. ChrisRed (talk) 13:33, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Chris. It seems like a worthy organization. Incidentally, I found a web article (have no idea of its reliability) which claims that the Branau house was bought by Martin Bormann at one point. http://www.animalfarm.org/mb/2.shtml JohnnyB256 (talk) 13:54, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Fine. I just gave the first paragraph a little tickle. Hitler was of course a common soldier in WW1, but I don't think that he (as opposed to his regime) personally killed anybody face-to-face in WW2. ChrisRed (talk) 16:53, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, good point. JohnnyB256 (talk) 16:56, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * "The stone for the memorial came from a quarry on the grounds of the former Mauthausen Concentration Camp, near Linz, Austria). Correct?". Well, yes.  But I don't know whether or not it was "quarried" as we now understand the word (i.e. by well-fed free workmen in hard hats with jackhammers).  If you go to the Mauthausen page and scroll down to "Extermination through Labour" you will understand what I am getting at.  Perhaps best just to leave it open. I'll leave it up to you. ChrisRed (talk) 17:14, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I hadn't quite thought of that. Was this stone extracted by slave laborers? I had assumed that the stone was removed more recently, but if not then I think that surely needs to be said. JohnnyB256 (talk) 17:42, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I honestly don't know, and I can't think of how to find out short of contacting Andreas Maislinger personally. It certainly looks 'rough hewn' as if it was cut manually by slaves.  Even if this particular stone was 'freely' quarried, it still serves to represent something very dark and evil.  My personal preference is to just say 'it came from Mauthausen' and leave it there, but I will leave it up to you.  Thanks for your contributions to this article. ChrisRed (talk) 18:48, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it is important to say quarries (if true) so as to be clear as to where at Mathausen it is from. According to the article on the camp it did indeed include quarries in a very large complex. JohnnyB256 (talk) 02:41, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

More general title
I propose renaming the article Birthplace of Adolf Hitler. The memorial stone would be mentioned in that article.

This is in line with the many other articles beginning "Birthplace of..." - Gilliam (talk) 11:52, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

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