Talk:Hitman: Blood Money/Archive 1

Targets
I would like to know why the Targets section has gone, which I myself wrote (or the most part of it). It was well written and offered a great deal more information on the targets themselves, their professions, their habits etc. and I am quite peeved that after being up close to the original release date of the game, someone has stripped it away without consultation. I thought people we're invited to expand Wikipedia, not deminish it.


 * The deletions of the sections in question were discussed prior to the act (see the newest Talk topics at the bottom of the page). Hyperspacey


 * Yes, expanding Wikipedia is why we are here, not adding unnecessary info. Also, all of that info was game guide type information, and, once again, totally irrelevant. Just because we're here to expand it does not mean add every single mundane piece of information about the subject. ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit me  §   Contributions ♣ 18:36, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It's not mundane information, it was a very good list and I am myself angered that it was removed. It was very informational and helpful and the fact that it was removed gives wikipedia a bad name for not including good information that they know is informative. --69.124.58.112 (talk) 15:03, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * "I like it" is not a good argument and neither is "It's useful". Such policies as WP:NOT frown upon such crufty information. ♣  Klptyzm   Chat wit' me  §   Contributions ♣ 04:07, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Overhaul
I died overhauled the article with official information from the website. Anything that was covered previously is included here, albeit in the official text. - TheCommie

I see two potential problems with this: 1) The article now reads like an Eidos press release 2) The actual text is likely to be copyrighted, and its appearance here may be a violation of that copyright It might be worth moving back to the original article, and possibly adding to it. Mattb90 10:46, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Tagged it with to notify this. -- ReyBrujo 01:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

im stripping it down of all of the Advert stuff, and slapped a Spoiler tag on locations --Dark wingstalker 17:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Nice overhaul, I just went through and corrected some further mistakes, like putting punctuation inside the quoatation marks, and took a couple of fragments. Shadowrun 19:18, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah too bad someone keeps adding stupid things on to the ending of the plot section. Things like the chinese man does 47, kisses 47...like grow up already! Insaneassassin247 18:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Tone
I have slapped a tag to the article. Please, keep it there (and restore it if someone deletes it) until all the first persons ("you", "your", etc) have been removed/converted. In example, converting "You . Thank you. -- ReyBrujo 01:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. Icey 18:52, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * A)you missed a couple B)thats second person, not first. W00t-on-a-shtick 21:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe I got everything, so I went ahead and removed the tag. LancerSTFU 19:54, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Leak
Is it worth mentioning that the game has been available online (for PC, not sure about consoles) since the 18th of May? Kurt 00:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * more like the 16th....
 * In any case, it's a pretty good game (just completed it), but it does have quite a few bugs/oversights. IO will be getting my money tomorrow. :) Kurt 18:34, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

speculation
The plot section of this article contains much speculation as we do not know if Diana gets a call from the Queen or if 47 is going to buy guns.


 * she answered the call with "your Majesty" Cheesor


 * yes, but your majesty could mean any monarch, not just the Queen of England. The person could be a king.  or that could just be a codename.
 * Countries that have monarchies


 * I agree, it doesn't really indicate much. --68.149.181.145 09:11, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

No Reqiuem Hints, please...
Making 47 stand up is accomplished by moving the left analog stick back and forth, or randomly pressing the WASD keys. It's a shame that some wiki nazis out there think they're so cool because they figured it out and they don't want others knowing. Knowing to do this is an essential part of the game; the game is incomplete without doing this. It's imperative knowledge.


 * Did ever heared of the word SPOILERS? That is a major spoiler for any player out there. Besides, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a game faq or walktrough. There a tons of sites out there who can help anyone. --Soetermans 22:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Trivia Section
I think you should add in the triva section that during The Death of a Showman leval the is a reference to Resviour Dogs as a Gang member threatens to burn a Man alive, if you look the hostage also has his ear missing.

So add it yourself, nobodies stopping you. '''
 * Who the hell is the female assasin in "you better watch out..."? she appears in the loading screen with a '?' over her face she's down the corridor behind the photographer sitting on the foutain, when you first see her she's making out with some old guy. When she see's you see stops and beccons you into a room then cuts to a cutscene and she slits 47's throat. Its obvious shes a assasin cos if you shoot her she drops a gun, plus the actual woman who's suppose to be in there is unconcious behind the sofa. Who the hell is she? It's really bugging me!!!**'''

Enemy assasin. Part of the plot is that a rival agency, the Franchise, is trying to kill 47

Is it really of any value whatsoever to mention the fact 47's tie changes color in this game? Really. 23skidoo 19:21, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Play's review
Is the rating of Play magazine correct? All others are very positive, while their's is a 1,2! --Soetermans 12:07, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * the game review industry is a dirty place. like the rival agency in blood money, i think we can safely assume play was paid to beat on the game. 198.166.226.14 08:14, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Tomorrow Never Dies
I read somewhere that the voice-actor for Eve sang the Tomorrow Never Dies in the end credits. Could somebody confirm this? 68.52.66.232 01:44, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No, the song in the end credits is the original song by Swan Lee. The interpretation of the song in the game, the karaoke version, is by Barbara Bernád, who did the voice acting in the game, though I don't know which characters she voiced.Bwanaunsignedhype 17:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Inaccuracy
The woman in the Amendment XXV mission isn't Daniel Morris' wife, but rather the First Lady herself. I've removed the sentence that suggests this from the character information segment. --83.104.88.154 17:03, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * the game review industry is a dirty place. like the rival agency in blood money, i think we can safely assume play was paid to beat on the game. oh, btw, i'm sorry if this is in the wrong place, i edited the right section but it appeared here. 198.166.226.14 08:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Guns
Where do you get that the elephant gun is a BAR? And if it is indeed a BAR rather than just a gun that greatly resembles a BAR it is not a 1918 and probably shouldn't be linked, one of the lines in the 1918 BAR article states no relation to the modern hunting rifle that a Safari is. Highlandlord 11:57, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

You get it in the mission (Till Death Do Us Part). It's on the wall in "Pappy" LeBlanc's room. Ajharris78 —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 16:14, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Dan Morris trivia
"In Amendment XXV mission the target's name Daniel Morris when shortened into Dan Morris is similar with the name of PC GAMER magazine ex-EIC Dan Morris. Dan Morris acknowledging this asking his co-worker about how did they kill him in Hitman: Blood Money. Dan Morris also claims that his face is somewhat similar with the target's face." This is God-awful writing. I'm going to fix it up. --68.149.181.145 08:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC) Changed it to "In Amendment XXV mission the target's name is Daniel Morris, which is almost identical to the name of PC GAMER magazine ex-EIC Dan Morris. Dan Morris has acknowledged this, and also claims that his face is somewhat similar with that of the target's." Any objections? --68.149.181.145 08:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. That's still horrific abuse of English. It should be "similar to" not "similar with", and using "that of the" and "target's" together is redundant duplication of the possessive.

Trivia related to 47 "becoming more human"
Deleted this: "Many people have noticed tears in 47's eyes after he snaps the neck of his pet bird, that he sometimes pets in cutscenes, when he sees that that the intruder in his hideout is only his boss Diana. This supports the claim that 47 is becoming more and more human with every game." Anyone who has played Hitman 2:Silent Assassin would dispute that. The plot revolves around 47 trying to rescue a priest. Silent Assassin concludes with 47 deciding that he was created to be an assassin, and he cannot be a "good guy". In Blood Money, 47 kills an innocent postman in a cutscene without a second thought. The player is also required to kill an innocent reporter and a priest in the last level. He is not getting "more human", on the contrary, he is more of an emotionless killer than ever before. I personally did not notice the tears either. I actually took the bird scene as an illustration of how quickly 47 is willing to sacrife his "pet" if it will benefit himself. I also rewrote the trivia on his new tie, as the previous version suggested that "he is getting more human, as illustrated in his better fashion sense" and also claimed that his tie changes from level to level, which it does not.--68.149.181.145 09:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC

Totally agree. With regard to the tear, There is no tear. Ive recorded that FMV and played it over a few times and there is no such thing. I have the PC version but I highly doubt its in console versions either


 * When people say 47 is becoming more human, they don't mean a straight linear development, let alone 47 becoming a "good guy." (What would be the point of that?) So yes, even in Blood Money he has his merciless moments, but I think overall we're getting a more multifacted picture of his personality. Perhaps "interiority" or "personality" is a more accurate way to describe his devleopment than simply "becoming more human," which is a little vague. Tear or no tear, the pet bird bit also adds to this picture. After all he was shown caring for the pet throughout the game until he had to snap its neck.

Did this cutscene actually happen?
This is a comment about the EVE assassin character in the Heaven and Hell mission:

A cut-scene demonstrates her mounting a victim before killing him by repeatedly stabbing him with a knife.

I played through the entire game but don't remember seeing this cutscene. If it is true, is this a conditional cutscene which could be passed over? I would hate to think my memory is going on me but i honestly don't remember seeing this cutscene at all.


 * Yes, that cutscene is in the game but the article should clarify it. If you choose to approach her, she will ask you to follow her, implying that she wants to have sex. If you follow her into the CIA agent's office, a cutscene will show her turning around and stabbing you multiple times. I'll clarify that. --C civiero 03:23, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW, I decided to remove the "switchblade" link, because the knife she uses is not a switchblade. --C civiero 03:26, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Its a stiletto =) and yes you must follow her to an office (the room with the laptop in it) when she suddenly spins around leaps on top of you, bounces up and down while stabbing... this event can also happen in another level (You Better Watch Out.....) ZLiang 17:44, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Somebody help me please!!!
In Hitman: Codename 47 directory I've found a file named "resources.xml" (C:\Hitman - Codename 47\Setup\Locale\language-English.zip). There are all the game dialogues, mission briefings and all the game's text. In that file, I've found some really weird sentences, that aren't involved in the game, or I couldn't find them anywhere in the game... They are:


 * (Possibly in "The Setup" mission) "Freeze - let me see some ID! Real slow now!"
 * (Possibly in "The Setup" mission) "Hey - you there. Stand still! Who are you?"
 * (Possibly in "The Setup" mission) "Stop! Police - identify yourself!"
 * (Possibly in "The Setup" mission) "Tango 6 - 3 Delta - 1 Yankee. Proceed with caution. Suspect is armed and dangerous!" (maybe a talk between SWAT members)
 * (Possibly in "Meet Your Brother" mission) "You - along with your brothers - are my true children. Now rid me of that rambunctious renegade!" (maybe a talk between Ort. Meyer and Mr. 48 clones)

There are many other sentences too, but I'm most worried about these mission descriptions in laptop:


 * (Possibly at the end of the game) "Your mission is over. Surrender your self to the police and await further instructions. We will contact you. Diana"
 * (Possibly at the end of the game) "ABORT - ABORT - ABORT RETURN TO BASE IMPENDING DANGER THE AGENCY WILL DISAVOW YOU RETURN IMMEDIATELY"
 * (Possibly at the end of the game) "ABORT - ABORT - ABORT SEVERE DANGER DO NOT ATTEMPT FURTHER ADVANCES THIS IS AN ORDER"

Everybody knows that when 47 kills Ort. Meyer, the game is over, and there's no after mission description in laptop. What are those sentences?

Write everything in the world you know about this sentences, please! I'm in turmoil for this problem since 2002! I WILL AWARD THE USER THAT HELPS ME SOLVING THIS PROBLEM! --Aeternus 17:29, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

> I would expect that those sentences relate to an element of the game's last levels, which was planned by Io-I, but cut out in the final version. Maybe the developers tried to incorporate multiple endings into the game, or even a different ending than the official one. The "ABORT ABORT" sentences look like the Agency had realised the worrying connection between 47's targets (all of them were in the French Foreign Legion), and ordered 47 to escape from the Sanitarium (and that would have been the ending, maybe?). "Surrender yourself" could have been another possible ending, or the planned real ending. I'm not sure what the proper term is, but it's sort of like a film's deleted scenes. Io-I obviously decided not to go through with the ideas; I wouldn't worry too much about them.

Then again, I don't know for certain. Send Io-I an e-mail, if you're really interested.

Muzzle Flash
This is, in no way, proven! I hate to sound so mean about it, but it keeps popping up on the pager, every once in a while. The next time you post it up, how about posting a reference also? But, for the meantime, once again not to be mean, but, THIS IS NOT PROVEN.

I have beaten this leval three times I haven't noticed the flashes yet. I'll look again tonight, but I'm pretty sure theres nothing there. PBGuardsman 17:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * They're aren't any. That's the point. ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §   Contributions ♣ 17:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

First True "Murders" in Series
Of course he's a contract killer, and murderer, but this game is the first time in the canon that he kills people who probably didn't deserve to die. [Spoiler!] He killed a mailman, priest, reporter and a canary, none of whom deserved to die. [/End Spoiler]. Even though the player can kill whoever they choose, if you've noticed, he has never done this sort of thing before, as his "victims" have always been criminals and murderers.

This is also the first to include cursing, scantily clad women, and also the first to not include Mei Ling, although she is mentioned on the newspapers. Just thought I should mention that, if not in the article itself. 64.119.53.133 08:53, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * First off, the exact words "chickenshit bitch" were used in Hitman 2 by Sergei; that was the first game to curse. "Scantily clad women" were somewhat featured in Contracts, e.g. some prostitutes and people at that Meat King party. I'm pretty confident he's killed an innocent at some point in the earlier games; I just have to recall it. So, the only things that are true or unresolved is the "innocent killing" and the Mei Ling statements. BishopTutu 17:13, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

According to the matter settled in court, the Swing King was innocent too haha. D Boland 01:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Level Selection Trivia
(Just running it past, to make sure it's actually trivia..)

In the Level Selection screen (the last one, inside the church or wherever 47's funeral is taking place), several of the people attending the funeral are deceased targets from the game. I can't recognize all of them, but I do see the large captain and the rich guy with the head turban from Vegas. A third might be one of the gansters from the drug rehabilitation clinic, but I'm not sure. There's also a woman in a red dress. JimmmyThePiep 05:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Man, I thought that was already in there. That's definitely trivia. Add it, but just word it well. ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit me  §   Contributions ♣ 22:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Alrite, thanx; I'm not sure if I typed it well though. Also, I just checked, and can't identify two of the people: someone in a yellow suit..? and an old man (either from the porn-party or the rehab clinic). JimmmyThePiep 23:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Comic Book
In the White House (I'm not exactly sure, but I think it was in the first building on the first floor. In one of the security rooms), on one of the tables is a comic book. It's got that weird logo that's on the cover of the Hitman Box.

"Become a game programmer; even if it kills you!" JimmmyThePiep 07:12, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that's noteworthy; so much stuff like that is in the game that, if you talked about one, you'd have to add ALL of them. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit me  §   Contributions ♣ 17:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * That's true. I saw something else a while ago, but I don't remember it; it's probably along the same lines though. Ah, it was about Agent 47 being asexual; I misunderstood the word meaning as 'one animal that reproduces without a mate', when it actually means 'without sexual attraction.' ... so nevermind... JimmmyThePiep 22:19, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Removal of "Weapons" and "Missions" lists
I removed the stated lists because of their "laundry list" appearance. If you feel the Missions should remain, implement them better into the Plot section, if need be. The Weapons list was just utterly unnecessary. Check to see if cleanup was effiecent before readding the tag. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit me  §   Contributions ♣ 01:15, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I find the article better this way. I am also for the deletion of the target list. This article is about the game in general, not about the hitlist and everything featured in the game. --Soetermans 22:44, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Seconded, it makes the whole article look messy. Fine for a Gamerwiki, but not here. Hyperspacey 09:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I will delete it as such. --Soetermans 23:26, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I already have. Did someone readd them? They shouldn't be back on the article. ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit me  §   Contributions ♣ 23:29, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Stop Adding Trivia
Please stop adding trivia to the Trivia section. I'm sorry for doing so, but the trivia list is slowly growing; this has happened before, and it doesn't need to happen again. Besides, it's only trivia. All trivia isn't important; its trivia. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit me  §   Contributions ♣ 23:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the trivia section entirely, if something's worth including include it in an existing section or you should perhaps reconsider its value to the article! Hyperspacey 08:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Pop Culture References
I found another two pop-culture references;

-after 'Death on the Mississippi', the newspaper mentions a school janitor burnt alive by parents. This is most probably a nod to Freddy Krueger's death as a mortal.

-(this next one is iffie); in some levels you can pick up a butcher's knife and slash victims in the showers. You can even sneak up on them. (it's a 'sort-of' psycho reference, but it's not as exact as the first point)

P.S.- This Discussion Section is very disorganized JimmmyThePiep 15:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Final Scene
I'm pretty sure I see some flashes against the curtains at the end of the final scene, like flashes from a gun, I'm guessing. Should it be added? --Sycotherejekt 05:54, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


 * No. It can't be proven if those are flashes or mere glitches in the graphics. It has been removed time and time again. ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §   Contributions ♣ 01:06, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually I saw the the flashes too, and I think it should be added. By the way the flashes are you can obviously tell there not glitches in the graphics. Add it in. 19 December 2007 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.58.112 (talk)
 * Tell that to the people who own the PS2 version. This "flashing" only occurs in the Xbox version because it is a graphical glitch. It won't be added. ♣ <b style="color:blue;">Klptyzm</b>  Chat wit' me  §   Contributions ♣ 22:22, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Spoilers Without Warning.
I honestly think a lot of the sections need a spoiler warning at the top of them. For example, the "Plot" section.


 * Uhhhh...if you don't know that a section called "Plot" doesn't have spoilers about the plot, then maybe you should be doing something better with your time.... Also, go read WP:SPOILER. ♣ <b style="color:blue;">Klptyzm</b>  Chat wit' me  §   Contributions ♣ 05:05, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Umm, Klptyzm, could you stop being obnoxious and think for once? Plot means the story, if were oing to tell the entire sypnosis then label it "Sypnosis" so that people will know it has spoilers.--69.124.58.112 (talk) 14:58, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Puccini’s Tosca and Hitman: Blood Money
I do not see any part in this article citing that it has anything to do with Tosca whatsoever but, it has been many times this article link been added in Tosca’s trivia. If Hitman: Blood Money has some similarity with Tosca, please include it in this article and not in Tosca because it is obvious the creator of this game that “uses” Puccini’s scenes and not the other way round. Members from WikiProject Opera have several times removed the link but some people keep adding it back. Please read our discussion at Tosca talk page, Talk:Tosca. If I dont reply in here, please post your comment in Tosca's Talk page. Cheers and thanks - Jay 02:35, 22 August 2007 (UTC) (Member of WikiProject Opera)
 * If you can't source it, it doesn't belong anywhere. ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me §  Contributions ♣ 02:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Reinstate the discussion deleted by User:Ajharris78 on 28 September 2007. This is the second time he deletes it. - Jay (talk) 02:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

The "Curtains Down" Mistake
I'm not sure if others have noticed but on the opera scene in which you kill the tenor & the ambassador. The tenor has a new name.

Deleted Scene?
In several of the trailers for Hitman Blood Money, A thug or guard is seen walking through a darkened area, that looks like Agent 47's hideout. After he walks away, 47 drops down from the ceiling behind him. I cannot find this cutscene anywhere in the game, so is it still in there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Merco (talk • contribs) 09:19, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

It's not part of the game, it's just showing off 47's skills —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajharris78 (talk • contribs) 14:32, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Disputed Name
In the article and in the game it refers to the leader of The Franchise as Leland Alexander but on the official website it says Alexander Leland Cayne. Which one is real?-64.131.15.50 01:20, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

More trivia.
I did some research to find the name of the music played in the "Curtains Down" level. I posted my findings on the Tosca page, but the opera nazis (lol) told me to shove it. So, is there room for this somewhere?

"In the video game Hitman: Blood Money, the score "Come è lunga l'attesa!" from Tosca is being rehearsed in the level titled "Curtains Down". The production in the game has apparently been updated to take place during the First World War and the actors are all seen in German uniforms and distinct Pickelhaube helmets. One of the targets is an opera singer, the other target is an important figure watching from the loge who is the performer's lover; in addition to being his business (child prostitution ring) partner. If the player chooses so, he can replace the blank gun used for the execution scene with a real firearm that looks identical to the prop, or even take the executioner's uniform and play it himself. The end result is similar to the last scene in Tosca, where the believed fake firing squad is real."

This may need to be edited to be fit into the contents of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chenzo23 (talk • contribs) 02:29, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * First off, it's technically a game hint, so it can't be added for that. Second, trivia sections are frowned upon, so it's not necessary to add. ♣ <b style="color:blue;">Klptyzm</b>  Chat wit' me  §   Contributions ♣ 02:45, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

A game hint? I suppose being "technically" right is the best kind right. What I was questioning was the "Come e Lunga L'attesa" part. Most people don't know the name of the score and it took me long time to find it, thinking I was contributing by adding an interesting tidbit about the game. I suppose if it's "frowned upon" then it should be dropped. Touche Wikipedian Bureaucracy. Chenzo23 01:56, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Soundtrack - That song that Delgado plays...
I remember hearing it a while ago, before I played the game. I know it's a classical piece but the thing is, the title of that piece was so long, I can't remember any of it, not even the composer.

Can anyone identify it?


 * why do you ask? ♣  Klptyzm   Chat wit' me  §   Contributions ♣ 00:11, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah its "Bach - Cello Suite No.1 i-Prelude". Took me AGES to find it myself =] 90.196.217.135 (talk) 00:59, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Blood Money introduces the concept of rival assassins?
What about the other clones present in Hitman 1 and 2? (And possibly contracts, but I haven't played it) 217.132.255.109 (talk) 05:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * In Hitman 1, they weren't technically assassins. But that still may need to be removed. ♣  Klptyzm   Chat wit' me  §   Contributions ♣ 21:26, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Tosca
Someone added this game again in Tosca article with remarks "Tosca is a major element in a mission in Hitman: Blood Money" and have been removed. I have removed this site link from Tosca for 3 times and hopefully it will not happen again. If Tosca is an important element for this game, you can add it here but not in Tosca as this game is not an important element for it. Thanks - Jay (talk) 02:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC) (Member of WikiProject Opera)

Humor
This section really shouldn't be in here or at least reworked to be wiki standards and to make sense. 87.113.37.216 (talk) 22:09, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

PAL-60 issue with Xbox 360 version
Could someone who has knowledge of the "PAL-60 issue" please correct this section? The lack of grammar makes the section difficult to comprehend as it all reads as one sentence. I would do it myself, but I'm not familiar with the Xbox and wouldn't want to correct the grammar only to create an incorrect statement. Rocker1982 (talk) 11:51, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no knowledge of the PAL-60 issue, but thought that it was much better to have may-be-false information in well-written English than in badly written English. Thus I rewrote it and also added some `needs citation' notes. Ðæltåþíç (talk) 18:39, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Picture Links
Are the ad pics links in the Controversy section really needed? Maybe they should be put under external links section--Abhishek Jacob (talk) 18:10, 24 November 2008 (UTC)