Talk:Hits Radio South Yorkshire/Archive 1

Incorrect Schedule Updates
Can people please be aware that for some reason, the official Hallam FM website is showing an incorrect programme schedule. For example, it states that Dave Henning presents on Saturdays 2pm-6pm, however he actually left the station in around October 2007. Please avoid updating the information on this article to reflect the schedule on the website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.183.19 (talk) 13:42, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * There shouldn't be a schedule there as stated at What Wikipedia is not - Directories, directory entries, electronic program guide, or a resource for conducting business. The only reason why it hasn't been deleted from the article is that ideally, schedules should be converted to prose with third party references to confirm notability. --tgheretford (talk) 16:39, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Copyright Violation
I removed an edit which had text copied and pasted from Media UK, whose text is copyrighted: http://www.mediauk.com/the_knowledge/i.muk/Hallam_FM in this edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hallam_FM&diff=119669757&oldid=117609101 --tgheretford (talk) 08:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC) It was hardly copyright, i just pasted the frequencies!

Merge
The result was no consensus. --tgheretford (talk) 20:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

With reference to WP:WPRS guidelines, which say that a station that changes its name but retains its format should be kept within one article (the article with the name of the new station), I wish to propose the merger of the Radio Hallam article into this article, under the title of History. --tgheretford (talk) 17:28, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Id like to see it stay as it is, it was a different station entirely before it turned into Hallam FM, keep it!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Video killed the radiostar (talk • contribs).
 * Merge. No it wasn't. It was the same radio station, it just rebranded. It would have changed considerably over the years anyway, even if it had kept the same name.MartinBrook t'' 12:38, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge. I agree, it's fundamentally the same station. Chillysnow 13:55, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. Different frequency, different name, different premises, different TSA, different owners. I just think it deserves its own article, this would allow contributors to expand on the history of the station.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * Keep. It was very different in so many ways, from the background of the original presenters to the feel and personality of the station. The station didn't evolve it changed. It is important that space be given to Radio Hallam and space be given to Hallam FM for historical reasons.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

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Merger proposal
I'm reopening this discussion on merging the Radio Hallam article into this one (there was 'no consensus' last time - see the brief discussion above). It seems illogical that this radio station has two separate articles for different phases of its history.

'Radio Hallam' and 'Hallam FM' are two different names for the same station. Of course, the format of the station has changed over the years, but this did not happen overnight when the station changed its name. The station didn't change ownership, or premises when the name was changed - it was simply a re-branding.

If there are no objections, I'll go ahead with the merge in a few days. Vl'hurg talk 11:17, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Someone else has removed the other article now anyway, without merging. I've retrieved some relevant content from the history and merged it with this article. Vl'hurg talk 23:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Missing Presenters
The presenter list is missing a few names (I know I was there):

Nigel Dean - Sport and News (late 70's)

Steve Williams - Music (late 70's)

Jayne Irving - News (mid - late 70's)

all in all Radio Hallam was a brilliant place that spawned a generation of top flight wireless folk! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.60.104 (talk) 20:13, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Re: Past presenters
The result was Not Done - Having a huge long list of notable presenters is fine, Having a huge list of non notables is not. →Davey 2010→ →Talk to me!→  15:05, 4 June 2014 (UTC)'''

It appears that the list of 'past presenters' has been edited and greatly reduced in number. Would it be possible for someone capable to retrieve the deleted content from the history?

Thank you.

Butdavid (talk) 07:37, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


 * To put it short - No, Most of the past presenters weren't notable and were just taking up alot of space, →Davey 2010→  →Talk to me!→  07:44, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Who are you to decide which presenters were notable or not? There are many past presenters that have been removed/deleted that would be considered as very notable to the history of the station.


 * 1) I would ask kindly that you undo the deletion.


 * 1) I am prepared and have considered this before to list the 'past presenters' alphabetically.


 * Thank you. Butdavid (talk) 09:05, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

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 * With respect, I would like to also add that if there is to be a 'past presenter' content, then it should be open to all presenters that have previously worked for the station, whether it be with Hallam FM or Radio Hallam, however short or long there time at the station was.


 * It is surely not up to me or anyone else to decide which presenter/s was or were more notable and more worthy of an addition to those that are not.


 * As I have said, I am happy to take time to alphabetically list past presenters of the station to make it easier on the eye to read if that would help. :) Butdavid (talk) 09:40, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Answer's still No, I don't decide - Wikipedia decides, If presenters don't have there own article- That's because they're not notable, Readers want quick and easy info, Not lists as long as your arm, All radio stations only have notable past presenters .... →Davey 2010→  →Talk to me!→  12:03, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Please could you point me in the direction where Wikipedia state that: past presenters have to have their own article?
 * Not all radio stations, as you say, "only have notable past presenters" - see Radio Sheffield and Radio Derby, as examples. Their former presenters do not necessarily have their own articles.
 * I would say that presenters such as Johnny Moran, who was the first presenter on (Radio) Hallam and who also presented the breakfast show for well over a decade and Dave Kilner, who began at the station in 1979 and worked at Hallam for well over a decade helping to raise hundred's of thousands of pounds for charity, are both notable past presenters who don't have their own Wikipedia articles.
 * Just to add...when you do find lists on Wikipedia of some length, the article usually links to that list on a separate page.
 * Why not consider a link to a list on a separate page, if you feel that a big list on the main page takes up a lot of space. Butdavid (talk) 22:45, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * We could debate this all day, As far as I know there is no policy but it's general common sense, Readers are only going to be interested in those with links, Separate articles for presenters could work providing again all are linked, →Davey 2010→  →Talk to me!→  23:12, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


 * With respect, you have previously stated that Wikipedia decides that past presenters have to have their own article, when now you are stating that their is no policy and it is just common sense.


 * No it is not because lengthy lists can be linked to a separate page quite easily.


 * Having a section on former presenters literally means that. In other words, in this sense, presenters that have previously worked for a radio station.


 * Whether past presenters have their own article or not has no bearing on whether they can or cannot be added to a list, so long as they are past or former presenters.


 * Football clubs have very lengthy lists of former players, not all with their own Wikipedia articles.


 * You are deciding for yourself what should be allowed or not.


 * Wikipedia's purpose is to "benefit readers by acting as an encyclopedia, a comprehensive written compendium that contains information on all branches of knowledge".


 * Are you the person who actually created this page by the way?


 * If there is no policy as you now state, then I ask again that you undo your deletion or create a link to a separate page if you feel that a list is taking up a lot of space on the main article page.


 * Thank you. Butdavid (talk) 08:44, 4 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia:Editing policy


 * Be cautious with major changes: discuss


 * Be cautious with major changes: consider discussing them first. With large proposed deletions or replacements, it may be best to suggest changes in a discussion, to prevent edit warring and disillusioning either other editors or yourself (if your hard work is rejected by others). One person's improvement is another's desecration, and nobody likes to see their work "destroyed" without prior notice. If you choose to be very bold, take extra care to justify your changes in detail on the article talk page. This will make it less likely that editors will end up reverting the article back and forth between their preferred versions. Butdavid (talk) 10:03, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Look for any station and you will see they've all been removed, All per COMMONSENSE - As stated we don't need guge long of unknown presenters .... Thanks →Davey 2010→  →Talk to me!→  14:57, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Re: Past presenters cont'd

 * Davey2010...The deleted list included ex BBC TV/Radio presenters, hardly unknown presenters, as you say. Please remember, Hallam FM and the like were 'local' radio stations broadcasting to a small region. It is only in more recent times via the internet, that these local stations can be listened to further afield or world-wide. These 'past presenters' were very well known locally and still are to this very day in the region that Hallam FM broadcasts to in South Yorkshire and the North Midlands. I shall make no further comment on this at this time, as I have requested a dispute resolution, which for your information, can be viewed on the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard Butdavid (talk) 14:26, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Exactly I appreciate the fact they're known locally but that's just it they're not widely known, The station should appeal to a wide audience not just locals, BTW I apologize for the above closure, Bad move on my part!. →Davey 2010→  →Talk to me!→  15:06, 5 June 2014 (UTC)