Talk:Hmong customs and culture

Clean Up and Wikify April 2006
This article needs cleaned up badly. Much of the information is already available at Hmong people. Eventually, it would be a good idea for a sub-page of Hmong people but as it is now, I recommend merging with Hmong or a speedy clean-up and expansion with more details not already available elsewhere. I will do what I can now to wikify and improve formatting and style but there's not much more I can add as far as details.--WilliamThweatt 00:42, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I have cleaned up, expanded, and organized the article. IMHO, the clean up tag can be removed, but I will leave it for a while in the hopes that somebody more knowledgeable in the areas of Hmong spiritual beliefs and origin legends will contribute. If not, I may after a while, add the "Spritual beliefs" section and "Creation myth" section with introductory sentences and place the "expand section" templates to draw attention to them. This could be a good article and now I believe it sould not be merged but kept and expanded.--WilliamThweatt 02:18, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I have added a section about the Hmong New Years Celebration. If you have any extra information to add to this small section, please feel free to add more. If you notice errors, feel free to fix them as well.FongSaiYuk


 * Good idea, Fong, and welcome to Wikipedia. I have a few suggestions for the section, but I don't have time to do the writing or the research tonight.  It might be good to mention the date when New Year usually occurs and some of the ways in which the New Year is celebrated (the "Ball Toss", for example) and their cultural significance.  Also, one of the drawbacks of this article originally was that it focused on Hmong in the US.  It might be better to write from a world-wide perspective and tell about how Hmong celebrate New Year in their homelands as well.  By your User page and your User Name, I'm making the assumption that you are of Hmong descent (forgive me if I'm wrong).  I think it would be much better to have the perspective of someone who understands the language and the culture than to have somebody like me write it.  Thanks for contributing to WP and I wish you Happy Editing. (If they haven't already, somebody from the "Welcoming Comittee" should drop a welcome message on your talk page with some helpful editing tips and links).--WilliamThweatt 01:40, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I see no reason why this is a separate article from Hmong people. Can we merge? - Jmabel | Talk 16:48, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * As reflected in my first comments above, those were my exact thoughts when I first happened upon this article. However, upon viewing the pages of other nationalities/ethinic groups for comparison, I found there are subpages for culture in almost all cases.  For example see Russians (the people) and Russian culture or Kurdish people and Kurdish culture.  Based on that precedent and the facts that this article both gives sufficient detail to maintain seperate status and shows many possibilities for expansion, a separate article is warranted.--WilliamThweatt 17:16, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Polygamy/polygyny
From the article "[note: polygamy =/= one man, many wives; correct term is polygyny]": in what sense is the word "polygamy" wrong? Is the note here just meant to exclude polyandry? But most commonly, polygamy does refer to polygyny, not polyandry. - Jmabel | Talk 07:00, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Shaman
Since there is a lot of debate about the usefullness of this term "Shaman" outside of refering to particular form of ecstatic ritualist from Siberia, specifically of the Tungu/Evenki peoples (Kehoe 2000), I believe that it would be more acurate and helpful if a indegenous Hmong term was used for this practioner. This is especially true if they do not experience altered states of consciousness when they participate in healing. If anyone knows a better term for a hmong healer, I think it should be substituted. Digsdirt 04:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)


 * That's a good idea, but all of the Hmong that I know (and I know many) refer to this person as a shaman, and to their religion as Shamanism. I think "shaman" works, because that's what a lot of Hmong use. 207.109.27.108 03:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I can agree with both of you. I had a conversation with a Hmong about this discussion and he said that all Hmong use the English translation of "shaman".  I addition the "Picture Dictionary: English-White Hmong" (Saint Paul Publich Schools, 2004) also translates this practioner as "Shaman" (txiv neeb (tus)).  I can agree with Digsdirt that a better word should be used since it is out of context, but since the Hmong have been using it, maybe its proper to continue to use it until they forward a new one. Dinkytown (talk) 20:45, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmong shaman do enter trances during some ceremonies. While in trance they journey to the spirit world and sometimes battle evil spirits that cause sickness. Some more information here and here. As traditional healers who act as an intermediate with the spirit world, txiv neeb fit the more general definition of a "shaman." Nposs (talk) 02:39, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Partly cleaned up
I finally did some cleanup, but there are some passages in the text that are so confused that I couldn't fix them (also, this is way underreferenced). Would someone who knows the topic please look through for my HTML comments, which indicate what I found incomprehensible? Thanks. - Jmabel | Talk 17:05, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for getting the ball rolling. Its a big improvement and it inspired me to add some material. Nposs 03:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Pa'ndau?
Should there be any information about pa'ndau/story cloths in this article? There isn't a sepperate article [from what I could find], and it would be nice to have some information about it. Hoddmimirswoods 20:43, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. I've started to put some sources together about. There is actually quite of bit of information available on the web. Feel free to contribute to the new page: User:Nposs/paj_ndau. Nposs 14:26, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Great. I can probably add some stuff if someone starts up a section. Hoddmimirswoods 02:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * As I noted above, I'm working on "paj ndau" as a separate article here: User:Nposs/paj_ndau. If you have some ideas, it would be great if you could contribute them there. I was thinking, we could then sumamrize that article and add it as a section to this article. I think it is notable enough for a separate article along the lines of Mola (art form). Right now, I have an opening paragraph and a decent section on the changes to the art form after the diaspora. I've got some quotes from other sources to fill in some of the other details for the time being. Nposs 02:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

The Hmong name "Yer"
Check out this edit at Yer:



It was removed soon after it was added, because it really doesn't belong to that article, which discusses a Cyrillic letter called "Yer". But if this information about the Hmong name "Yer" is correct, it should be added to this article.

Thanks. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 21:44, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

No reference to the section "traditional gender roles"
As per title. May indicates original research, or worse. Someone please put in an indication for this section. And to whoever will come upon my words, please please please don't google some marginally relevant site and use as reference. Thanks. Gw2005 (talk) 21:58, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Cleanup status
The huge picture at the top is counterintuitive. Upon entering the page, at first I thought it was vandalized and only then realized that it's just in desperate need of a cleanup. I'm not sure how to do mark it or how to resize this picture and put it in a better place on the page. Girondaniel (talk) 22:36, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

External links modified
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New year in hmong
Hmoob Noj peb caug SEEMS to be New Year Celbrations can it be added - I note that Sonkrang is given why not the Hmong term? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.95.7.46 (talk) 20:20, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Paj Ntaub Placement
I made an edit to the page including some sources talking about the paj ntaub. However, since the Hmong people have 3 articles where this information should go, being Hmong People, Hmong Culture, and Hmong Textile are, I am hoping that this is the right location to put this information. Since paj ntaub are an important element to Hmong culture and identity, I feel like it should be in the Hmong people article as well, which I could do.

Does anyone know why there are separate articles for Hmong people, and then Hmong culture? --Skyprism (talk) 20:59, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Hmong New Year (Hmong Noj Peb Caug)
AfC reviewers are having a hard time understanding why this content should not be used to improve Hmong_customs_and_culture. Current discussion is at User_talk:NruasPaoYPP. Please let us know your thoughts here. ~Kvng (talk) 14:41, 19 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @Kvng I have posted this on the draft and on the article as a formal suggestion to merge the draft into the article. Any additional thoughts you have would be appreciated. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 10:36, 22 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge I see the draft article as adding value to this article in this section. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 10:33, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Klbrain (talk) 15:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)