Talk:Hogsnort Rupert

does anyone have any sheet music for pretty girl; life begins at 40; and Auntie Alice, please?
I am a member of a skiffle group (70 - 80 year olds) living in Tokoroa New Zealand, and would like to get the sheet music of Hogsnort Rupert songs. So far they have been unavailable, but does anyone knowif they are to be had anywhere? Sheila McOnegal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.154.50.153 (talk) 00:00, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Claim of earlier band
(I have transferred this from the article, where it was posted in the lede by an anon user without any references)dramatic (talk) 00:27, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

The original Horsnort Rupert was the name of an R&B band in England circa 1962-66. Formed by Bob McGrath and Peter McGreggor. They performed all over England with the R&B acts of the time (Rolling Stones, John Mayall, Georgie Fame, Zoot Money etc) Unfortunately they did not record until the 1970s. It is very hard to believe the New Zealand band came up with the same name by accident.

Earlier band #2
Once again, I have removed the following.


 * The original Hogsnort Rupert was a rhythm and blues band formed in 1963 in Guildford, England by singer Bob McGrath and tenor saxophonist Peter MacGraggor, John Renbourne (guitar) Grapefruit Goodchild (piano) and fancy Forcey (drums) They played the same circuit as the young Rolling Stones, Yardbirds, Georgie Fame, Zoot Money etc at The Ricky Tick clubs, Marquee, Flamingo, Twisted Wheel, Mojo circuit of R&B clubs all over England. After personnel changes that included Milton James, Brian Chambers, Johnny Clayton, Dave brown they disbanded in 1966. They have no relatioship to the New Zealand band that began in 1969.

It belongs in a separate article (I believe that the NZ band would be Primarytopic). BLP applies to bands, so sources would be needed to create that article. dramatic (talk) 17:22, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Claims of an earlier band in the UK ?
Hi - maybe there was a "similarity" as (after all) the NZ band was formed by a couple of UK ex-pats, and fully entitled as: HOGSNORT RUPERT'S ORIGINAL FLAGON BAND

Obviously done to distinguish between the NZ band and the UK band they aspired to be - but later simplified it into HOGSNORT RUPERT (as by then they had made many public appearances & recordings - something the UK band didn't do until much later)

Oh & p.s - someone here "asked" about lyrics and other things for their songs .. such as "Pretty Girl".

Yep we here in NZ have all of that info (& it's on official record sites too)

Source 1: Hogsnort Rupert

Overview Hogsnort Rupert's Original Flagon Band was founded in 1969 around English expats Alec Wishart and Dave Luther, who met at a Wellington football club and started singing skiffle songs at after match functions. They made the final of talent show New Faces before shortening their name and having a run of three hit singles in 1970 - 'Aubrey', 'Gretel' and chart topper 'Pretty Girl'. They continued to play and record intermittently. In 1983 Dave Luther had a number one hit with Dave and the Dynamos' 'Life Begins at 40'.

More information Band biography Words and music to 'Pretty Girl'

https://www.nzonscreen.com/title/hogsnort-rupert/artist

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Source 2:

The reason they stopped was because of the death of their "frontman" Alec Wishart

Source 3.

Cheers QUIX4U (banned - incorrectly - a long ago - by some "idiotic" wikipedia bot) I am not, and never have been - something called a popup socket? I am and always have been, a genuine (original) NZ Pakeha (commonly known only as - a kiwi.) 115.188.58.203 (talk) 23:52, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

p.s.. Almost forgot (in all the old editing excitement.. Source 4.

Pretty Girl Lyrics & musical notes: And some of the other discog's as well. Plus info on the NZ band..

Song List - Home This happy skiffle band song was the top NZ pop tune in 1970. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb4ZavuJeGg

Intro: D D+a D D A D x2

D The other day as I made my way A              G        D I heard the music start to play.

Happy sound, people all around, A              G       D I knew that I was here to stay. Em         G             A Suddenly,   by the tree, goodness me... A A A, G G G

Chorus: D Pretty girl, can I take you home A         G     D On a bright and sunny morning?

We danced all night in the pale moonlight, A      G      D And now the day is dawning,

Inst. (Kazoo) = Intro.

She worked all week in a disco-teek, She looked at me but she didn't speak. The beat was good, and I knew I should Have brought an extra pair of feet, What a day, so I say, hip-hooray!... Chorus

Inst. "Come on, my lover, give us a kiss!" (Boom boom boom boom) Chorus

I had to weep, 'cause I had to keep On dancing in a tired heap. The only sound was the aching ground: The band had all gone home to sleep. Day had come, gone the sun, oh what fun..... Chorus x2 Thanks to Dexter Muir for these lyrics and chords.

Hogsnort Rupert's Original Flagon Band This Wellington novelty act was formed in 1968 by two Brits Dave Luther (Guitar/Vocals) and Alec Wishart (Percussion/Vocals). Dave had played with several skiffle groups in Britain in the late fifties prior to emigrating to New Zealand in 1966.

Alec was the friendly humorous front man and Dave was the one who had the ear for suitable sing-a-long melodies.

1970 was their golden year with three songs getting onto the hit parade, their biggest being "Pretty Girl" which went all the way to number one in August, staying there for three weeks. "Pretty Girl" was New Zealand's biggest selling hit of 1970. It was entered into the Loxene Golden Disc Awards in August 1970 and easily won the title.

They later simplified their name to just Hogsnort Rupert and became an electric band with another hit in November 1970, Auntie Alice Bought Us This.

For more details see this online extract from the pop encyclopedia Dreams, Fantasies And Nightmares, and also their web page in Bruce Sergent's wonderfully illustrated NZ record album site.

Other NZ skiffle bands Skiffle This word word has been used since the early 1900s for the good-humoured music played by those too poor to buy instruments and who have used instead washtubs, jugs, washboards etc and other found instruments along with any improvised horns, reeds, or strings that were handy.

Hogsnort Rupert were followed in 1973 by the zany Bulldogs Allstar Goodtime Band ("Miss September," "Everybody Knows") made up of Victoria Unversity students.

But NZ's greatest skiffle band was the 1980s street-busking Big Muffin Serious Band who made up to $200 an hour on the street with their tea-chest-and-three-ukulele rock band. Their mime artist, 'The Naughty See Monkey' entranced the punters with his intensity when he did those wonderfully complicated riffs on his ukelele, playing counterpoint to lead electric ukuleleist Jim Fulton. I watched three full performances before I noticed that The Naughty See Monkey's ukulele had no strings - Jim was playing both parts!!!

The Big Muffin's biggest problem was getting the huge crowd that always collected to move away after The Naughty See Monkey had taken the hat around, so that they could attract another crowd and collect more money. Make money on the street by skiffle band busking BE HAPPY Have happy, lively tunes, like Pretty Girl, or Everyone Knows or Does Your Chewing Gum Loose It's Flavour...... or the Fijian Chulu Chululu. Have songs with a lively chorus you can repeat lots of time with variation of instruments. And not too many long verses with unusual words.

LOCAL HUMOUR Change a few words on the occasional song to give some local humour, The Big Muffins did "They Call the Wind Maria Nor-wester" with a reference to NZ's searing wind on the Canterbury plains. And the Howard Morison Quartet did "My Old Man's a Dustman an All Black."

NOVELTY SOUNDS Get players of basic non electric band instruments - lead, chord rhythm, percussion - as well as some instruments for tonal variety - tea chest bass, washboard, mouth organ, kazoo, comb and paper - and also 'instruments' for visual novelty, the Big Muffins had a hedge-clipper percussion, and a plastic saxophone, and a 'wind machine' for doing "They Call the Wind Nor-wester." These make good visual props.

LOOK AT THAT! Other visual props help too; tall colorful hats, a foot-operated puppet, or one of the group doing mime, or magic tricks or juggling.

GIVE EYE-CONTACT Give some eye-contact to passers-by, and acknowledge their interest with a smile or nod towards them. Busking is entertainment, so entertain the punters. Present yourself as a relaxed, happy, confident person and set out to make other people happy too. Too many buskers I've seen seem to be tense and serious, and frown obsessively at the fretboard of their guitar, whilst completely ignoring the passing throng.

MAKE THEM HAPPY Gauge the punters' response to your music and adjust your playing accordingly. If your own newly-written songs you are singing are going down like lead balloons, then play/sing songs that the punters are familiar with.

TUNES FOR EVERYONE Having a variety of tunes you can play helps too. Look down the street and see who is approaching, and be ready to switch to a tune suitable for charming the money out of the old aunties who are coming towards you, or the teenagers, or the harassed mum with the little kids, or the businessmen with their Asian visitors.

PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRA... And lastly, practice lots. Lots. Practice the words, the chords, the instrumental breaks, the comedy chit-chat, the visual gags. Learn all the words and chord sequences. (No music book stand - what are yer?) Get the rhythms tight and pulsing. Practice lots.

Song List - Home Page made 17th August, 2003, refomatted Nov 2009

https://folksong.org.nz/pretty_girl/index.html

Footnote: Thus if anyone (inside the almost out-of-date Wikipedia - now has serious doubts, as to WTF a bot was allowed to condemn a kiwi for - ? Then this info should galvanise some of you to beg the question - as to why I amk "still banned" from providing quality advice ..

If a kiwi business had been "running" wiki - this would NEVER have occurred, as a final report - would never have come from any useless puppet sock.. so there.!!!!!!!!!!! QUIX4U - OUT.

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