Talk:Holden straight-six motor

Missing engine
Why is there no mention of the 186 red motor or the 179HP Blue motor? —Preceding unsigned comment added by WierdJohn (talk • contribs) 20:10, June 8, 2008


 * You are more than welcome to add these. OSX (talk • contributions) 00:06, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

179HP blue - are you on drugs? The HP was the high performance version of the early red motors. Once larger capacity engines, notably the 186, were introduced, the HP casting in the block was changed to the capacity of the engine - 179. HP cast blocks were also available in early 308 V8s, as they were the new High Performance V8 as opposed to the 253 cid V8.

The Blue motor - in 173 and 202 cid - were introduced later. Grant —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.237.72.39 (talk) 11:13, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

2.2 vs 2.3
The article used to say that the grey motor was 2.3L for the FB but recent changes say it was delayed to the next mode, the EK. The FB article says it had the 2.3L. Does anybody know whether the FB had the 2.2L or 2.3L grey motor?  Stepho  talk 13:12, 23 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The original Holden up to the FC used the 2.15-litre Grey engine. The re-bodied series FB used the 2.26-litre Grey motor, which carried over to the EK and EJ. The EH got the new 2.45-litre Red motor. OSX (talk • contributions) 01:12, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

130
Never heard of a 130ci grey or red. I noticed that 130 (which doesnt exist) and 138 are listed in the red motor category. These are greys. And are only 132 and 138 which came out in FB. Id change it but i cant write code. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HoldenTech87 (talk • contribs) 23:59, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


 * The 130 & 138 versions of the Red motor do indeed exist !! The 138 was commonly fitted to LC & LJ Toranas is the standard power plant in the 6-cylinder range, The 138 Red was not related to the 138 Grey. The 130 was only seen in export Holdens from around 1969 to 1974. The reason that the 130 was developed, was to fit under strict 2.2 litre maximum which some export territories imposed. Terrybebb (talk) 10:19, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Regarding the Starfire
Regarding the sentence "...replacing the Opel 1.9-litre cam-in-head unit used in LH, LX and earlier UC Torana/Sunbird 4-cylinder models"

The Opel CIH was beginning to be phased out by the time of the LX Sunbird. I believe this was a 'dirty' engine i.e. not ADR27A compliant and was one of the reasons why Holden developed the Starfire. The Starfire was first introduced in the LX Sunbird SL/E in late 1976, and as far as I'm aware most - if not all - late model LX Sunbirds fitted with RTS had the Starfire.

As for the Opel CIH being fitted to "early UCs", as far as I'm aware all UC Sunbirds were fitted with the Starfire. I have never seen a UC fitted with the Opel (the only Sunbird-badged Toranas I have seen fitted with the Opel was in early LXs). Given that ADR27A came into effect for all new passenger vehicles on 1 July 1976, I cannot see Holden given an exemption to continue using the Opel engine if it wasn't emissions complaint, especially not in the UC introduced in March 1978, 20 months after ADR27A came into effect.

Therefore, I believe it needs to be be confirmed (photos, production data, etc) that the Opel CIH was fitted to the early UC as currently stated in the article (against which I have added the 'citation needed' template), as I believe the UC only came with the Starfire, but I'm happy to be proven wrong.

BTW I have owned two UCs, an early and a late model (manufactured June 78 and December 79, if I remember correctly), and both were fitted with the Starfire. And all the original advertising brochures mention only the Starfire. Blammy1 (talk) 16:00, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

FOOTNOTE: is Holden expert "Dr Terry" (Terry Bebbington) still available? His user name above ('Terrybebb') points to a page that does not exist.